I know we all hate the feds here, but the atf didn’t start the Waco fires. Denying reality to own the cops isn’t something that we should be doing. This and killdozer are like 2 of the things that pisses me off with the left trying to co-opt libertarian folk heros because pig bad
You really believe the ATF didn’t start the Waco fire? They literally were pumping tear gas into the compound
Yeah my understanding was that it was the ATF but if anyone’s got sources saying otherwise I want to see
The ATF set fire to the building and massacred the people inside with automatic weaponry
I agree bro hahaha so what is OP talking about
OP is likely using untrustworthy ATF documents as evidence. I’m not gonna say they’re bad faith, they clearly aren’t. But propaganda is propaganda
Fuck the ATF either way :possum-mama:
CS gas is not flammable
CS gas is not flammable but the cartridges can light and have lit fires multiple times. Not one but two different fires were started in the same year in Athens by tear gas.
When mixed with fire it becomes noxious and can kill people
But the atf didn’t start any fires, the davidians were the ones who were pouring gas and other flammable shit and alluding to Isaiah 13 right before the fire started
You don’t think that the tank that rammed into the building could have sprayed gasoline alongside the CS?
Didn’t know they made apcs with gasoline cannons
It wasn’t an APC. It was an M728 Combat Engineer Vehicle, which I believe had a way to dump fuel out of the exhaust
Too much of a reach. Far easier to believe that the doomsday cult set themselves on fire before shooting their leader and stabbing a kid
The ATF is still ultimately responsible for the situation. They could have nabbed Koresh when he left the compound for a shopping trip (something he was known to do). Without the leader, the compound would have surrendered, imp
Nah, but the gas grenades they also used can potentially start fires. The ATF also lied about using them and when caught out said that they'd used them at a different time. Dunno if I believe them to be honest.
I don't think they intentionally set the fires, and it does seem more likely that those inside the compound did but the ATF did use devices that can sometimes cause fires and then lied about it. I reckon they realised there was a chance they'd accidentally caused the fires and lied to cover it up.
The really dodgy stuff is about who shot first in the initial firefight that started the seige. A few survivors insist the ATF fired first. The door of the compound would probably have proven it one way or another but mysteriously the whole door simply vanished.
But yeah, no one should idolize them at all.