I don't know about libertarians, but when I argue about abortion with Christians the thing that seems to get through to them is reminding them that eggs aren't chickens, acorns aren't oak trees, and you can't make a pie out of apple seeds. It seems like the most obvious thing, but all the anti-abortion rhetoric is designed to make them forget that living things transform as they develop.
What it works for me (but probably some other flavor of leftist is gonna crucify me for good reasons) is:
"You are okay with a raped woman having an abortion, right? Then why can't a woman that enjoyed the sex have an abortion? Your problem is the woman enjoying?"
Of course, there are idiots who even oppose abortion in case of rape, which you should just punch them in the face.
To be fair, opposing abortion in case of rape is the most consistent perspective. If the whole idea is that life is sacred from conception, it doesn't make sense to be okay with 'murder' when it's a result of rape. I mean, what babby do?
The majority of Christians I grew up with or met were against abortion in almost all cases. A life-saving abortion might be considered if the child wouldn't survive either way.
The 'gray area' was masturbation and contraceptives. Usually anything that preceded the magical moment of the sperm reaching the egg was sort of okay (but obviously not ideal. why have sex without procreation?!).
While I personally think the argument is silly to begin with (bible doesn't say all that much on the topic), if the starting assumption is that anything after conception is a proper human being, then opposing abortion society-wide makes sense.
Well in my country that's the thing with the anti choice "if you like the peach, eat the velvet", they look at unwanted pregnancy as a punishment for having unprotected sex/not being on the pill.
I don't know about libertarians, but when I argue about abortion with Christians the thing that seems to get through to them is reminding them that eggs aren't chickens, acorns aren't oak trees, and you can't make a pie out of apple seeds. It seems like the most obvious thing, but all the anti-abortion rhetoric is designed to make them forget that living things transform as they develop.
What it works for me (but probably some other flavor of leftist is gonna crucify me for good reasons) is:
"You are okay with a raped woman having an abortion, right? Then why can't a woman that enjoyed the sex have an abortion? Your problem is the woman enjoying?"
Of course, there are idiots who even oppose abortion in case of rape, which you should just punch them in the face.
To be fair, opposing abortion in case of rape is the most consistent perspective. If the whole idea is that life is sacred from conception, it doesn't make sense to be okay with 'murder' when it's a result of rape. I mean, what babby do?
The majority of Christians I grew up with or met were against abortion in almost all cases. A life-saving abortion might be considered if the child wouldn't survive either way.
The 'gray area' was masturbation and contraceptives. Usually anything that preceded the magical moment of the sperm reaching the egg was sort of okay (but obviously not ideal. why have sex without procreation?!).
While I personally think the argument is silly to begin with (bible doesn't say all that much on the topic), if the starting assumption is that anything after conception is a proper human being, then opposing abortion society-wide makes sense.
Yeah if they allow a rape or incest exception, they're basically saying "pregnancy is punishment for a woman enjoying sex" which isn't so great.
Well in my country that's the thing with the anti choice "if you like the peach, eat the velvet", they look at unwanted pregnancy as a punishment for having unprotected sex/not being on the pill.
Disgusting.
I/You don't think its great, but is there anything within the christian worldview that makes it 'not great' or inconsistent?
The rape or incest exception is the inconsistency, if anything. None of it is super inherent to Christianity, just feelings of moralism imo.
If they are one of those "jUdEo-cHrIsTiAn vAlUeS" idiots, make them read the jewish take on abortion.