This was fun last time, leggo again

I'll start with: libertarians have solid takes ~40-50% of the time and many of them just need to be pushed a step further in their thinking to turn against capitalist oppression along with state oppression. The libright-to-leftist pipeline is stronger than most seem to think it is.

    • Gonzolegend [any]
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      4 years ago

      Poverty mainly, but also generally more left behind than cities.

      Was Mao's strategy in China. Win the rural people over and hold that territory, and turn the cities into isolated islands, and only then move on the cities.

      • HarryLime [any]
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        4 years ago

        I agree we should win over rural people, but Mao's strategy was correct for the material conditions that existed in China in the first half of the 20th century. They probably won't work in the US in the 21st.

      • hauntingspectre [he/him]
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        As someone who lives in a rural area, the main difference is that land reform was a huge promise in China. Thousands of people doing the same amount of labor we automate away. For the most part, people who want to own farms here already own them. The disaffected people leave. Small craft farms don't really mean much in the grand scale of modern American farming.

        Also, a lot of people who would "love to own a farm" have no idea of what they're getting into. I looked into getting sheep for my acreage, and when I read up on all the ways they could die, hurt themselves, and vet bills I decided "wild blackberry patch surrounded by scrub trees" was perfectly fine for now.

    • krothotkin [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      This might seem stupid, but I'm convinced it's true - decentralization of support systems for basic needs is more achievable in rural settings (except for healthcare, which requires technology and capital that rural folks generally don't have access to). Cities will always be beholden to the complicated economic chains that support their existence. If you live in a rural area, you're dependent on those systems to a smaller extent, and often will have a developed sense of regional pride that trumps national identity. Despite all the waving of American flags, rural conservatives don't like America - they just like making liberals mad.

      • MarxGuns [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Ah, I see. Juche but with rural characteristics (which might be part of Juche already, I guess)

    • SSJBlueStalin [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      also, they were the only ones to have done it. Look at the coal wars. It wasn't a bunch of well... us.

      The country has a long history of corn fed shitkickers coming in to fix stuff untill the libs send in a deathsquad. If we can unite all the people with trucks and guns, and the people who read the theory we greatly improve the strength of the movment.