There's unfortunately nazis of all groups. There's trans nazis(4chan /LGBT/ board), black nazis(Kanye West), and even Jewish Nazis(League of German National Jews). Trying to claim a very queer and neurodivergent group is nazis feels a bit off to me
Sure. I didn't say all furries are nazis. I was just disputing the user who said furries were comrades. Some are, but some are nazis, same as anybody else
It's not really worth bringing up when the vast majority of furries are part of various marginalized groups and when the few nazis that exist are universally reviled as they should be. They're as isolated as they can be within the community, and bringing them up is probably doing more harm by associating the rest of us with them than it is actually serving as a useful warning. We don't usually bring up the fact that nazi punks exist, because we understand the vast majority of that community is against them, and looking at who makes up the punk community makes it very obvious why. So why do we do it with furries?
I see what you're saying and I don't disagree really aside from the assumption that any furry is going to be a leftist. I wouldn't do that anymore than I'd assume everyone with liberty spikes is an anarchist. I wouldn't assume they were a nazi either but purely anecdotally every furry I've ever met was pretty apolitical. I don't have any problem with them I just don't perceive the community to have a cohesive ideology. I apologize if I'm mistaken in that I certainly meant no insult
yeah, i agree. saying [marginalized group x] is ALWAYS comrades is just wishful thinking and stereotyping. You always have to be on your toes and never assume people are revolutionary by default just because they're a member of a marginalized group. People say this is "not worth bringing up" or "tone deaf" but that isn't very convincing.
That's a better wat of putting what I was trying to say. When I was a younger queer person I just kind of assumed anyone who dealt with what I did growing up would have compassion for other marginalized people. I found that was often not the case
Good thing I brought my duck costume, cause this place is about to get egged.
It feels so bizarre to hear random people, even old people, in my everyday life talk about furries
Furries are on the fascist's back burner in case they can't successfully vilify trans people in the eyes of the public.
It really is a sign that someone can't tolerate someone for being different from them, furries are harmless, so anyone who hates on them is certainly wishing they could express their hate for other groups more openly.
the only thing I've heard of that's even close to a legitimate criticism (not of furries in general but of fur suits specifically) is that fur suits rely heavily on exploitative supply chains. But yeah, pretty much anything else is a proxy for queer hate like you said. It's no surprise that furries were and still are often called fur-f-slurs on the internet.
This. It's always interesting to see furry come up in leftist spaces because it brings out reactionary thought. You get the "well, they can do what they want as long as I don't have to see it and they don't shove it down my throat" comments which, as a gay dude, is nearly the same thing I heard from chuds my entire life about gay people.
Like every fandom in the world, there are post-ironic contrarian edgelords who fall into that downward spiral of self-loathing which manifests into outward loathing of others. It does exist no doubt, but those kinds of people are auto-banned from major conventions and are ejected if found.
They've been on CSI, they've been on reality shows - prominent members of the community have posted saying that you really shouldn't talk to press because they are probably going to portray you unfairly.
Furries are mainstream.
Remember, the actual reason there were buckets of cat litter in classrooms was because there for if there’s a school shooting and students can’t leave the classroom for multiple hours. CHUDs managed to make that about furries.
so if you're at the door, and you're in the fur suit, do you assume it's a joke and knock anyway, at the risk of being treated like shit, or do you walk away, having been successfully otherized by the "joke"?
No, what I mean is I assume someone made this sign, posted it outside their door and took a photo to post to Reddit, and then immediately took it down. They were just doing it for the karma. I doubt anyone actually had this sign up for Halloween.
Currently reading the actual book The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander. Got some bangers about liberals and racism
Uni was a very grey and lonely time for me, but one of the few bright spots was when someone on the quad in a fursuit gave me some candy and a high five on Halloween. I felt completely invisible, so even a small positive interaction like that meant a lot to me, and it's always stuck with me.
So I got nothing against Furries, but I have noticed a weird thing where some will take any occasion that involves costumes as an excuse to dawn the suit, which is usually fine but sometimes I think it comes off as a bit obnoxious.
There's a German community near home that has a traditional Fastnacht which is pretty cool, all the locals make the traditional papier-mâché masks and have a big parade. But the last two years I've went there been a group of furries there, not officially part of the parade but just like having a little side thing. Which just stuck me as being off theme, I wasn't pissed or anything but it seemed a bit disrespectful to the festival organizers who put a lot of work into giving the event a consistent aesthetic.
Idk if I do or should feel similarly about furries on Halloween. Guess it really doesn't matter.
Edit: thought I should mention, there were other people there in not-on-theme costumes as well, like super hero stuff, and that also irked me a bit. Seemed like the town was trying to keep a consistent traditional look going on so the occasional Spider-Man seemed gauche to me.
Don't those suits run like $2000? If I dropped that kind of money I'd wear it every conceivable occasion also
$2000 is the absolute bare minimum. From people that have been making suits for a long time now, you're looking at $20,000
We make fun of rich people treats yet fur suits get a pass.
Nothing actually against furries, but damn that cost is egregious, I usually thought around the 2-4k mark.
They used to be that price for quite a few years so you aren't wrong. $20K is an outlier price, but it's happened more than once so it's indicative.
The pricing is complicated though. Probably ~15 years ago, there were only a handful of makers and $4K was consider the top end. That's about what I paid for the top of the line back then. They lived in relatively low cost areas and either worked solo or with their partners.
A lot of new blood started to show up and enter the market. Rather than drive down prices, it actually ended up raising them. Many of these new makers were actually partnerships between two people and a lot of them were from the PNW and high cost of living areas. For two people to make a living there, they had to raise prices.
Prices crept up little by little, until big makers started to auction pre-made suits. Several of them have gone for well-north of $15K and that really caused a lot of makers, especially the ones that have been making suits for ~20 years now to really start charging more.
The business model has flipped on its head with most of them. Before, you'd send your design, they'd quote, and you'd decide whether or not to commission. Now, if you want to commission the person that made my suit for example, you send the design, but you have to tell them how much you want to pay... no offers below $10K.
It's all fueled by the fact that there are a LOT of well-compensated furries in tech that shovel money into this stuff. The "suspiciously wealthy furry" is a community in-joke for a reason.
That being said, aside from the faux fur production, you're paying an artist for art. It's not quite the same exploitation as rich people's treats.
I appreciate the breakdown. I had no idea all that was happening behind the scenes. Its cool to see the somewhat cottage artisan industry thriving. I never really got furry stuff and the face styles sorta creep me out, but I support folks doing what makes them happy.
I do really like when people have a hyper-realistic animal head instead of the cartoony ones but I don't think they're particularly common or really that big in the scene.
Yeah no problem. It was interesting to reminisce about the evolution of the market for a while.
It’s no different than someone spending their savings on a nicer car. Most of them are working class who saved for a few years.
Yeah I'm not actually against them spending that money on something they'll enjoy. I'm all for that. I was aiming for a joke but it must have fell flat.
Yeah, see that kind of investment I'm wearing it to; weddings, funerals, graduations, bar mitzvahs, quinceaneras, you name it. You invite me you're getting a 6' tall anthropomorphic weasel.
Also can you get insurance on them? I would think you could
Never tried to get insurance, tbh, but I think you can take an insurance rider on almost anything.
lmao. I have a suit that probably set me back a little under a grand. there's a kink some of my former partners have expressed where they want me to wear it while we honk around. I'm always like "no chance." because it cost me a grand.
the $12 hoodie, the T-shirt with the stretched out neck, the sweat pants, and the dingy tube socks? sure. let's get completely weird. my best clothes? no.
It's 50 degrees out? You could wear a light jacket, or you could wear a bright blue wolf suit.
They should have oversized papier-mâché masks for the fursuits to wear
I think it's okay for furries to show up to events that aren't exclusively for furries if it's a furry adjacent thing. Furries are sort of seen as an extension of general nerd culture so showing up at ComicCon in a Fur Suit is fine. I think think going "oh there's costumes, I guess I'll show in a fur suit" even when it's a cultural festival that has nothing even tangentially related to furry culture seems a bit gauche.
True but I think a 5 grand fur suit draws more attention than a black hoodie and eyeliner.
They used a photo of a fur suit with a protruding junk pouch...
Or maybe that's just the inner thigh color pattern? I don't know.
You could be anything and you choose to be mean to people who have a hobby you don't understand
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I think of it more as being a sports team mascot who's broken containment.
LITTER BOXES IN CLASSROOMS!
It's tricks then.,
