https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29083554
this is about being paid your value, being treated fairly and upholding your rights. This subreddit is more capitalist than most American companies these days that instead of actually paying higher wages to find labor, are actively trying to undermine it instead.
I think this fella misunderstands what capitalism is lol.
half a million white liberals just joined r/antiwork in the past couple months, and they're doing what white liberals do - strolling into the place, ignoring the people who are already there, and blithely dictating their own personal politics as representative of the subreddit
I was just explaining Marxism and shooting down liberal ideas
to be clear, imo that is exactly the kind of thing we should be doing in there, not shitposting mocking memes and attacking the mods trying to make them hostile, or proposing some kind of clubhouse takeover to own the anarchists or whatever
Almost got banned for genocide denial when pushing back against some stuff being thrown out about the Kulaks to dismiss my points about Soviet labor rights and organization, then turned it around with the mod taking my side against Yang morons.
Yeah the mods over there are definitely not entirely on the same page but their hearts are in the right place and they'll be easy to push with a little friendly education.
half a million liberals just joined r/antiwork
last week’s raid from here
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love to get "TANKIE" on reddit and then tell them I'm an anarchist that doesn't believe CIA propaganda
That's the myth capitalism sells itself as, nobody is immune to propaganda.
Most people take the word and just use another definition for it. Something like "We don't have real capitalism, cause it's really supposed to be about capitalizing on yourself. What we have now is 'corporatism'" or some shit like that
HOLY FUCKING SHIT that last paragraph in the first post
Imagine being so fucking brainwashed by the "meritocracy" propaganda that you actually believe that your comfortable, virtually-zero-safety-risk job pressing buttons on a keyboard actually "produces value" such that it upholds the lifestyles of everyone else.
These people cannot be "re-educated" simply because they were never educated in the first place. That terminology would be incorrectly applied to them.
And if enough farmers decide they want to just collect their check, either someone is going to need to be forced or we all starve.
As opposed to now, when all the farmers are doing it purely out of a happy, wilful choice.
Goddamn these people are ignorant. No wonder every piece of modern software sucks ass.
This is a deeply held belief among tech workers, the PMC, and capital owners: that THEY are the ones creating most value in society. And because of that, they believe they are subsidizing the lifestyles of hordes of low-productivity workers, who would be totally destitute if not for them.
I think the source of that belief is literally just "I make a lot of money, that must mean that I'm creating lots of value". So when they see a worker working a grueling minimum wage job, they just naively think "wow, that person must be very unproductive".
This is so crazy to me as tech worker. I feel like what I do is meaningless and it’s insane that I get paid so much for it. I have a friend who’s a social worker and they qualify for Medicaid. Their job is so much harder than mine and they actually impact someone’s life.
I can’t imagine one way how anything I’ve worked on made a positive impact.
People who internalized the idea of wealth makes someone valuable.
It's the same delusion that generals win battles and not the soldiers.
The most charitable interpretation would be to say that the guidance offered by a skilled and wise general enhances the effectiveness of the soldiers they are leading. As compared to nonsense like "Napoleon's presence on the battlefield was worth 40,000 men", which frames them as superheroes instead of managers.
That’s what really gets me. Like, yeah you’re so smart, got all A’s in school, went to college and did everything right. On paper you’re a genius! But what are you using it for? Changing some numbers on a spreadsheet that no one will ever see? Finding ways to make the company you work for slightly more profitable?
Congratulations.
We have a nation full of college educated geniuses but we somehow can’t figure out something like universal healthcare. It’s bullshit.
I'm in this picture, and it helped radicalize me. The smartest minds of my generation are sitting in San Francisco trying to figure out how to beam ads directly into your brain while you sleep all the while the world burns around them due to a thousand solvable issues that no one is working on.
The work I do every day is meaningless. My company accomplishes nothing of value or note. My skills, whatever real value they might potentially have, are wasted. It's a terminal case of burnout, because I cannot make myself give a shit about what I do for a living other than putting in enough effort to continue to earn a paycheck, and yet I'm far better off than the people who actually make society function. I don't know how effective of rhetoric this would be for your average PMC tech worker, but it seems like the only real line of agitprop against people who enjoy the comfort and security that kind of role gets you.
hackernews is so weird. like, not only is it all tech people ("-bros," as they're known), but it was started by and for a startup incubator, so mammon worship is the default position. but then like occasionally you get stuff like this where someone will get points for saying (correctly) "yeah us programmers don't really contribute anything to society."
Ah yes, hypothetically organizing labor in order to achieve the value of your labor is AcTuAlLy MoRe CaPiTaLiSt than actual existing capitalism. Undermining other people's interest isn't a part of TrUe CaPiTaLiSm.
Capitalism is when you pay higher wages! You see, in Econ 101,,,
And the more money I have the more capitalism it is.
Free market capitalism is when I have so much money my pants fall down and I have to hire someone strong to pull them up again.
also lmao at some guy whose just commenting under the username "antifa" :gold-antifa:
actually that website is a decade old and never implemented any concept like "inbox"
I occasionally try, but i think i'm shadow-banned now, cause i haven't gotten a response in a while lol.
