One of my friends from high school has considered becoming a cop because criminology is easy. He was always a little chuddy but more because he wasn't that bright and came from a poor background. He was usually well intentioned.
Yeah, actual academic research done on the Blue Wall of Silence showed that most cops started with good intentions. If you are a good intentioned cop, you try to stop someone from being a cop and are then stopped by the rest of the cops, you have three choices:
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Quit, and then give up the pretty well paying job (many of these people didn't go to college, remember)
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Just go along with it, be one of the "good cops" who lets the bad cops go along with what they want.
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Go Dorner (which is... not something most people would want to do.)
The problem is in the system. It won't be fixed by individuals or "high IQ" cops said elsewhere here.
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it's hard to really think about this because it makes me think about what I might have become if I hadn't been exposed to leftist ideas.
That's one of the reasons the entire corrections industry is as it is. It appeals to people who aren't that smart. If they were smart, they'd go into another profession. How'd you like to spend your life hanging around inside a prison with that crowd?
If smart people would just start going into corrections en masse things would get a lot better very quickly.
They literally won't let you be a police officer if you're too smart. They say patrolling for hours on end is dull and intelligent people need constant stimulation.
I think it's just because they don't want any smart people in there who will figure out what they're up to.
It's a widespread but not universal policy for police departments to bar people who are perceived as intelligent. Police departments are notoriously bad at following through on hiring practices, too.
There's value in not reinforcing the idea that it's about intrinsic, unchangeable qualities, and in particular about inherent intelligence.
But in typical vernacular this is how people are going to talk about it even if they just mean someone's getting Ds and Fs. And people do get pushed down different paths based on how well they do in certain courses.
When it's the normal vernacular... they are. It's us that are talking weird.
I could not disagree more, just because cops are dumb doesn't means smart cops would be better.
Then they'd just be better at hiding drugs on people smh. Also do you not think that the entire system isn't set up to protect itself?
I've seen your take more than once in the wild, but there's many places where the police still suck even though you need to be more qualified than :amerikkka:. It's almost like the institution inherently sucks because it must be reactionary to protect the interests of the ruling class.
Corrections also can't really get better because incarceration is bad because of how society views criminal behaviour as mostly a moral failing instead of a systemic failure.
I’ve seen your take more than once in the wild
They literally have intelligence tests, and if you score too high they won't let you enter the police academy. They consider it a waste of resources to train you because you'll just quit out of boredom.
I think there's an unconscious implication in your comment that low IQ people can't be nice or develop class consciousness, and I think a dumb person who means well can become a cop and quit because they don't want to beat up homeless people.
I also think you're falling hard into good cop fallacy, where if more good people became cops the institution suddenly wouldn't suck, which discounts the history of the police, what they do, how they protect capital, and the defund movement.
I have heard that IQ test thing before but it's largely irrelevant tbh, they have other non-IQ tests to weed out people who don't have terminal cases of cop-mentality. And not all places with bad cops even do the high IQ based filtering
I think there’s an unconscious implication in your comment that low IQ people can’t be nice
Where'd you even get that? That thought is in your brain, not mine. I said they won't let people whose IQ is too high into the police academy.
I think low IQ people are some of the nicest in the world. They don't become CEOs or start wars. You know who starts wars? High IQ people.
Well to me it seems like you implied high IQ cops would fix the issue.
They stop higher IQ people because they think they'll get bored, not because they think they'll fix the system.
If you aren't making the point I read into it then I just don't understand why you brought up the IQ tests. To me it's not relevant unless you're making that point. And I see libs bring it up a lot like if we pay more then smart people become cops then problem solved.
My grandpa on my mom's side was a 'prison guard' but for literally the lowest security rural 'prison' ever. It was basically a work around to government fund shelter for the few homeless people in the super rural area he was in. There was only a few and they'd do farm work and bum around for summer and be shit out of luck come winter so they'd bust a window or whatever and hunker it out in the jail. It was basically kept open cause it was easier than finding less than ten homeless people over a wide rural area to get them into one central shelter. Shit has changed hard and it's been closed for a while and now the homeless out there just die in the winter. It was a crappy awful workaround for shitty funding and infrastructure that forced the poor to do a small prison stay to not freeze and capitalism is bad. Trains are good.
Don't let him leave his house until he signs an affidavit swearing he will never be a cop.
I don’t talk to a friend from elementary because he is a cop and apparently we differed on our opinions of law enforcement in the United States after the George Floyd murder.
That is the correct option here. If we have found a diamond in the rough and he actually has a heart od gold and he wants to make the world a better place, thr job will break him. He will be thr guy that gets ptsd and starts coping poorly and become a danger to himself and others.
In the united states, there are no jobs that are better than cops for the pay to training ratio, with training including both time and difficulty. It's super easy learning how to be a cop, they're hiring everywhere, and the pay is stupid high. Cops with relatively little experience can make like $85k to $90k here. For perspective, firefighters and social workers make half that. Hell, most office workers I know personally with masters degrees in technical fields and years of experience don't make that much. They make it so easy to be a pig. I think the only way they winnow it down is by making sure they end up keeping the most brutal and evil ones.
there's probably some bs clause about you can't get it if you're gay or a leftist or don't do criminology or something like that.
