because individualist acts of terrorism are an obviously bad idea? most people are not that mad. the psyop is massive. try to recruit for terrorists on the internet. go for it.
the people that do make it through inevitably have to confront revolutionary theory that discourages wanton terrorism and violence as an opening strategy to revolution, because it won’t work and will in fact lead to bad things
The Maoist plan for revolution uses soft agitation (fake guns) and mass anti-electoral action as a revolutionary opener.
We have a movement setup to do this. There’s plenty of people in it. And they’re in fact normal people who know that the US left is racist/sexist and useless, and will not actually represent proletarian interests.
They’re not hardcore white terrorists or whatever you’re fantasizing about
Please read Mao. Those campaigns were a result of being ungrounded in theory.
It will actually improve your mental health, your ability to use dialectics, and your ability to critique the American left. It will also improve your ability to identify fascism. These are all good things.
Everybody who is serious about revolution either joins a revolutionary Communist organization, which by the way, are all Maoists, or maybe that person independently figures out that guerrilla war is a good fucking idea. We are not fucking terrorists. We are doing peaceful anti-electoral agitation that will lead to revolution.
You cannot escape Maoism once you realize this. To understand how to successfully wage the revolutionary guerrilla war Mao has described, which has never been defeated by a bourgeois army, you have to study Maoist dialectics.
If you, a leftist in an immense bourgeois psyop tries to understand Rojava, or Chiapas, or the Naxalites, or the Shining Path, or the various historic proto-MLM terrorists in Western Europe without understanding Maoist doctrine you will come to hopelessly counter-revolutionary conclusions, and these are in fact perpetuated in the entire bourgeois superstructure, which has acted to suppress any knowledge of Maoism in the West for over 70 years.
You have been fucking psyop’d by online fascists who were trying to use a faulty and fictitious “Marxist-Leninist” analysis to make you increasingly angry, willing to use violence against comrades, and ultimately counter-revolutionary.
I would suggest On Contradictions as a starter for Mao. It's a little dense and might take a few readings to fully grasp (did for me at least) but it informs you of the outlook Mao uses for the world and his writings.
They gave you the same fucking revisionism the Soviets used to kill the USSR and relied on you to be a big enough chud to not think Confucius would be equal to any of the Greeks
Hope you all had fun spending years of your life trolling Ukrainians with the Holodomor and shit. Thank you for doing no critical analysis of how many guns you actually need for a revolution by not looking at Latin America and not realizing you had way more than enough, because the Marxist who named himself after a Shakespeare character was a scary South American terrorist. Good work leftists
I speak a different language than imperial core leftists and need to take a break. Please read Mao. They fucking did lie to all of you and you are in a goddamn psyop
Is this some like Maoist "we're actually in the Matrix" shit, or are you just talking about how western media (including social media) is designed and monitored in a way to lull the populace into complacency. Like some Temple Grandin shit.
I'm out of the loop regarding how Temple Grandin's work can be construed to be related to this. Is it because she advocates for a "humane" way to figure out how to conduct the slaughter of animals despite how the ends of mass slaughter/subjugation are inherently incompatible with any claim to value humane or moral treatment of life, and that Western media propagates similar incongruous justifications for perpetuating capitalism/mass disenfranchisement of people?
Wait I think I explained it to myself writing it out :P
gonna be real it’s probably the Temple Grandin thing
from my perspective I’m surrounded by deeply frustrated people who are being lied to by fascists, and those fascists are calling themselves “communists”, again, and they have deceived you for your entire lives about “human nature”, because most of you were raised on the internet by advertising companies, and they are now having you quoting the most reactionary (and pointless) verses of Marx to give even more guns to chuds, who will eventually turn them on you.
Terrifyingly, you not only call me a terrorist and a CIA agent, but you are now so angry that you’re talking about disorganized bombings (are you sure you’re not being lied to by fascists?) that will of course lead to lots of you (and innocent people) being killed.
I was never advocating those things, also what reactionary Marx verses? I called you a terrorist? People are angry because innocent people are being shot. There's nothing wrong with possession and knowledge of firearms, do you think gun control is going to solve anything when the police remain heavily armed?
It wasn’t a matter of needing more guns or fighting against gun control, which likely would have saved lives, too late now though.
More guns means your revolution is going to be the best, right imperial core leftists? Since you all care about making sure people don’t get hurt that much
I was a pizza delivery guy pre-covid and we used to joke about that shit lol. Also I totally saved that for future use. Already shared in in a Discord and everyone thought it was hilarious. Keep your bit going it's fantastic haha
to successfully carry out a protracted people’s war you should start reading Mao on your own to make sure I’m not crazy, contact a Maoist org, and cadres will provide you with a MLM basic and intermediate reading list.
Oh and by the way, I have nothing against vandalism either, but if you think smashing paint balloons on people and spray painting on signs builds working class power, you're kidding yourself.
In my experience, there's good Maoists and there's larpers. I'm not a Maoist, but I can respect guys like Bret O'Shea (sp?) and Black Red Guard.
Then there's the Maoists who worship Gonzalo and claim his thought is central even though his theory of revolution didn't work. These are the kinds who assaulted my DSA comrades and who spray paint electoral yard signs with hammers and sickles. Because that's how you start a revolution, I guess?
So yeah, read Mao, but don't read him (or anyone else) as scripture, but as data.
WHY ARE THE RED GUARDS AGITATING AGAINST THE WESTERN LEFT? A question you have not sufficiently asked yourself or perhaps bothered with at all
Your experience is essentially that of an imperial core leftist in a fascist psyop.
all of MLM (the international communist movement, something you are not familiar with yet) supports Gonzalo fully and without reservation (as fucking if, no Maoists do this because that’s not how fucking Maoism works, we don’t even do that to Mao) or upholds him critically (!!!!!!!!)
why can you uphold the DPRK but an indigenous peasant revolution is too bloody for you to think about or learn from? [it wasn’t] how does your worldview make any fucking sense [it doesn’t]
what do you think of the Haitian revolution? John Brown? Use your brain and figure out how this all works please
maybe you’re surrounded by other imperial core leftists in old bourgeois parties that were corrupted by the bourgeois influence way back in the fifties, and now they’re pumping you full of half-baked Soviet theory to turn you into a counter-revolutionary?
You don’t like revolutions, certainly not this one, and maybe this is in fact what has happened?
You think your fellow imperial core leftists aren’t deeply compromised?
Guess who the red fash is this time! You’re the revisionists! You’re the uncritical imperialist “legal communists” that turn out to be no better than Nazbols! You are what Lenin warned us about!
You all really think we can’t detect your fascism? The social-fascists did a nice number on you all, yet again, and have lied to you about the true nature of financial capitalism and fascism. It’s fucking finance.
they all lied to you and I’m truly sorry for what has happened but you have to get out of this ridiculous psyop
you’re even basically saying “that Chinese theory is mere data for the glorious greco-Marxist Western dialectician to pretend to consume” and even accusing revolutionary communists of “reading scripture” - revolutionaries must not have agency! It must be a dangerous cult! The reds have tricked them into revolutionary violence! They’re going to manipulate the peasants and workers into killing us with this Chinese nonsense!
I can tell you must not understand the first thing about revolution.
Maoism is not fucking anodyne data you fascist comprador, it’s a fully-integrated synthetic and dialectical worldview for revolutionaries and the masses, it’s been the worldview of almost all revolutionary Communists for fifty fucking years
“BUT THEY SPRAYPAINTED HAMMERS AND SICKLES ON LAWN SIGNS”
I'm not against revolutionary violence or peasant revolts, dude. I'm just saying a lot of guerrilla movements don't seem to work, and maybe your revolutionary theory needs refining.
Maos's success has not been replicated elsewhere, and the Soviet experience failed, so maybe we need to take the data from those experiences and synthesize them.
You say you don't treat Maoism as scripture, but then chastise me for daring to call the Chinese experience "anodyne data."
I'm not saying you accept Mao or Gonzalo unreservedly. I'm saying don't reject everyone else in the meantime.
From my point of view, you fail to distinguish between secondary and primary contradictions when you consider every western person a fascist or fascist adjacent. You're cutting yourself off from past revolutionary experience because they're not Third-Worldly enough for you. If everyone's fascist, then you're at war with everyone. Even Mao made a temporary alliance with Chiang Kai Shek. How would you define fascism? What is your view on the Popular Front?
I'm not advocating any particular position, so maybe don't start calling me revisionist. I'm just saying you're automatically denouncing me as fascist without even knowing my positions, so maybe you need to examine why that is.
Never let your cadre be the only arbiter of truth.
Stop trying to find condescending ways to call me fucking brainwashed and read more of your own goddamn theory, then.
I don’t need to know all your particular positions to know what dogmatic ideological mould produces people who say “Gonzalo is bad” and don’t realize they themselves have fallen for rightist propaganda.
It’s bourgeois red scare fear-mongering that demonstrates counter-revolutionary corruption in your identity, as if a revolution, which is fought for earnestly by the masses, who do have every bit as much agency as you could be simply “bad and not communist”
This is infuriating for someone in my position. I have fucking bled for communism and you have quite obviously done next to nothing, and barely any of the reading.
I’m sorry but I don’t have any more energy today to explain to counter-revolutionaries living in fear of the spectre of how I actually read Marx and Lenin and Mao and way more theory and pointless French revolutionary trivia, so maybe some other time. You don’t even know what fascism is! Tell me where it comes from in Das Kapital.
I am very upset with you and done with this conversation.
If you're getting very upset because someone is questioning your tactics (not your resolve, mind you, I believe that you have bled for revolution), then perhaps you should consider if you're as good a cadre as you think.
It is the responsibility of cadres to agitate and educate, not for the "deceived by psyop" masses to automatically accept your leadership.
And if we're going to talk about condescending, maybe reread what you've written, and ask yourself how you would react if someone spoke that way to you.
I'm asking for your definition of fascism because if I'm a fascist, I want to know what you mean. I believe you're wrong, but I'm willing to ask just in case I'm wrong.
If you were in fact wrong and were sectarian, how would you know? How would you submit your theory to scrutiny? You can't even describe what your theory is before you get frustrated and say "Read Mao. All of it." What great teachers of the masses you and your comrades must be!
If you're willing to discuss your views with me calmly, I'm willing to listen.
because individualist acts of terrorism are an obviously bad idea? most people are not that mad. the psyop is massive. try to recruit for terrorists on the internet. go for it.
the people that do make it through inevitably have to confront revolutionary theory that discourages wanton terrorism and violence as an opening strategy to revolution, because it won’t work and will in fact lead to bad things
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The Maoist plan for revolution uses soft agitation (fake guns) and mass anti-electoral action as a revolutionary opener.
We have a movement setup to do this. There’s plenty of people in it. And they’re in fact normal people who know that the US left is racist/sexist and useless, and will not actually represent proletarian interests.
They’re not hardcore white terrorists or whatever you’re fantasizing about
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Please read Mao. Those campaigns were a result of being ungrounded in theory.
It will actually improve your mental health, your ability to use dialectics, and your ability to critique the American left. It will also improve your ability to identify fascism. These are all good things.
Everybody who is serious about revolution either joins a revolutionary Communist organization, which by the way, are all Maoists, or maybe that person independently figures out that guerrilla war is a good fucking idea. We are not fucking terrorists. We are doing peaceful anti-electoral agitation that will lead to revolution.
You cannot escape Maoism once you realize this. To understand how to successfully wage the revolutionary guerrilla war Mao has described, which has never been defeated by a bourgeois army, you have to study Maoist dialectics.
If you, a leftist in an immense bourgeois psyop tries to understand Rojava, or Chiapas, or the Naxalites, or the Shining Path, or the various historic proto-MLM terrorists in Western Europe without understanding Maoist doctrine you will come to hopelessly counter-revolutionary conclusions, and these are in fact perpetuated in the entire bourgeois superstructure, which has acted to suppress any knowledge of Maoism in the West for over 70 years.
You have been fucking psyop’d by online fascists who were trying to use a faulty and fictitious “Marxist-Leninist” analysis to make you increasingly angry, willing to use violence against comrades, and ultimately counter-revolutionary.
Please read Mao.
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I would suggest On Contradictions as a starter for Mao. It's a little dense and might take a few readings to fully grasp (did for me at least) but it informs you of the outlook Mao uses for the world and his writings.
Imagine my frustration! Give me a second.
Zizek has a good book on Maoism. Julia Lovell has a great book that finally just now covers international Maoism. Maoism: A Global History.
Violence means a lot of things.
None of that is Mao though
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They gave you the same fucking revisionism the Soviets used to kill the USSR and relied on you to be a big enough chud to not think Confucius would be equal to any of the Greeks
Hope you all had fun spending years of your life trolling Ukrainians with the Holodomor and shit. Thank you for doing no critical analysis of how many guns you actually need for a revolution by not looking at Latin America and not realizing you had way more than enough, because the Marxist who named himself after a Shakespeare character was a scary South American terrorist. Good work leftists
They? Confucius? Holodomor? Shakespeare Character? South American terrorist? What!?
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I speak a different language than imperial core leftists and need to take a break. Please read Mao. They fucking did lie to all of you and you are in a goddamn psyop
Like Chapo? Or existence in general? Just telling me to read Mao and rambling for 5 paragraphs doesn't explain much.
All of it
Is this some like Maoist "we're actually in the Matrix" shit, or are you just talking about how western media (including social media) is designed and monitored in a way to lull the populace into complacency. Like some Temple Grandin shit.
I'm out of the loop regarding how Temple Grandin's work can be construed to be related to this. Is it because she advocates for a "humane" way to figure out how to conduct the slaughter of animals despite how the ends of mass slaughter/subjugation are inherently incompatible with any claim to value humane or moral treatment of life, and that Western media propagates similar incongruous justifications for perpetuating capitalism/mass disenfranchisement of people?
Wait I think I explained it to myself writing it out :P
gonna be real it’s probably the Temple Grandin thing
from my perspective I’m surrounded by deeply frustrated people who are being lied to by fascists, and those fascists are calling themselves “communists”, again, and they have deceived you for your entire lives about “human nature”, because most of you were raised on the internet by advertising companies, and they are now having you quoting the most reactionary (and pointless) verses of Marx to give even more guns to chuds, who will eventually turn them on you.
Terrifyingly, you not only call me a terrorist and a CIA agent, but you are now so angry that you’re talking about disorganized bombings (are you sure you’re not being lied to by fascists?) that will of course lead to lots of you (and innocent people) being killed.
I was never advocating those things, also what reactionary Marx verses? I called you a terrorist? People are angry because innocent people are being shot. There's nothing wrong with possession and knowledge of firearms, do you think gun control is going to solve anything when the police remain heavily armed?
Oh no, gun control will do nothing now
It wasn’t a matter of needing more guns or fighting against gun control, which likely would have saved lives, too late now though.
More guns means your revolution is going to be the best, right imperial core leftists? Since you all care about making sure people don’t get hurt that much
Oh fuck you're the pizza slaves guy, rock on that was the greatest bit of a generation! I haven't laughed that hard in ages lol
thank you comrade <3
I was a pizza delivery guy pre-covid and we used to joke about that shit lol. Also I totally saved that for future use. Already shared in in a Discord and everyone thought it was hilarious. Keep your bit going it's fantastic haha
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This is either dialectics, or bappin'. I'm leaning towards bappin'.
This is a wonderful bit. Do you do requests? Mid 80s International Spartacist Tendency!?
I am permanently living in the Godard movie thanks to an accident with mescaline and personal choice
Damn dude you sound like a fuckin nerd.
Any book suggestions for a protracted people's war?
to successfully carry out a protracted people’s war you should start reading Mao on your own to make sure I’m not crazy, contact a Maoist org, and cadres will provide you with a MLM basic and intermediate reading list.
Here’s the one I have:
http://mer-rsm.ca/our-study-course/intermediate/
Lol at thinking the only Revolutionary communist organizations are Maoist.
Yes what a silly idea BEST OF LUCK TO THE REST OF YOU pardon me
Shining Path worked out really well, that's why Abimael Guzman is building a workers' state... Oh wait.
USSR worked out really well didn’t it? Revisionist.
Oh and by the way, I have nothing against vandalism either, but if you think smashing paint balloons on people and spray painting on signs builds working class power, you're kidding yourself.
In my experience, there's good Maoists and there's larpers. I'm not a Maoist, but I can respect guys like Bret O'Shea (sp?) and Black Red Guard.
Then there's the Maoists who worship Gonzalo and claim his thought is central even though his theory of revolution didn't work. These are the kinds who assaulted my DSA comrades and who spray paint electoral yard signs with hammers and sickles. Because that's how you start a revolution, I guess?
So yeah, read Mao, but don't read him (or anyone else) as scripture, but as data.
WHY ARE THE RED GUARDS AGITATING AGAINST THE WESTERN LEFT? A question you have not sufficiently asked yourself or perhaps bothered with at all
Your experience is essentially that of an imperial core leftist in a fascist psyop.
all of MLM (the international communist movement, something you are not familiar with yet) supports Gonzalo fully and without reservation (as fucking if, no Maoists do this because that’s not how fucking Maoism works, we don’t even do that to Mao) or upholds him critically (!!!!!!!!)
why can you uphold the DPRK but an indigenous peasant revolution is too bloody for you to think about or learn from? [it wasn’t] how does your worldview make any fucking sense [it doesn’t]
what do you think of the Haitian revolution? John Brown? Use your brain and figure out how this all works please
maybe you’re surrounded by other imperial core leftists in old bourgeois parties that were corrupted by the bourgeois influence way back in the fifties, and now they’re pumping you full of half-baked Soviet theory to turn you into a counter-revolutionary?
You don’t like revolutions, certainly not this one, and maybe this is in fact what has happened?
You think your fellow imperial core leftists aren’t deeply compromised?
Guess who the red fash is this time! You’re the revisionists! You’re the uncritical imperialist “legal communists” that turn out to be no better than Nazbols! You are what Lenin warned us about!
You all really think we can’t detect your fascism? The social-fascists did a nice number on you all, yet again, and have lied to you about the true nature of financial capitalism and fascism. It’s fucking finance.
they all lied to you and I’m truly sorry for what has happened but you have to get out of this ridiculous psyop
you’re even basically saying “that Chinese theory is mere data for the glorious greco-Marxist Western dialectician to pretend to consume” and even accusing revolutionary communists of “reading scripture” - revolutionaries must not have agency! It must be a dangerous cult! The reds have tricked them into revolutionary violence! They’re going to manipulate the peasants and workers into killing us with this Chinese nonsense!
I can tell you must not understand the first thing about revolution.
Maoism is not fucking anodyne data you fascist comprador, it’s a fully-integrated synthetic and dialectical worldview for revolutionaries and the masses, it’s been the worldview of almost all revolutionary Communists for fifty fucking years
“BUT THEY SPRAYPAINTED HAMMERS AND SICKLES ON LAWN SIGNS”
I'm not against revolutionary violence or peasant revolts, dude. I'm just saying a lot of guerrilla movements don't seem to work, and maybe your revolutionary theory needs refining.
Maos's success has not been replicated elsewhere, and the Soviet experience failed, so maybe we need to take the data from those experiences and synthesize them.
You say you don't treat Maoism as scripture, but then chastise me for daring to call the Chinese experience "anodyne data."
I'm not saying you accept Mao or Gonzalo unreservedly. I'm saying don't reject everyone else in the meantime.
From my point of view, you fail to distinguish between secondary and primary contradictions when you consider every western person a fascist or fascist adjacent. You're cutting yourself off from past revolutionary experience because they're not Third-Worldly enough for you. If everyone's fascist, then you're at war with everyone. Even Mao made a temporary alliance with Chiang Kai Shek. How would you define fascism? What is your view on the Popular Front?
I'm not advocating any particular position, so maybe don't start calling me revisionist. I'm just saying you're automatically denouncing me as fascist without even knowing my positions, so maybe you need to examine why that is.
Never let your cadre be the only arbiter of truth.
Stop trying to find condescending ways to call me fucking brainwashed and read more of your own goddamn theory, then.
I don’t need to know all your particular positions to know what dogmatic ideological mould produces people who say “Gonzalo is bad” and don’t realize they themselves have fallen for rightist propaganda.
It’s bourgeois red scare fear-mongering that demonstrates counter-revolutionary corruption in your identity, as if a revolution, which is fought for earnestly by the masses, who do have every bit as much agency as you could be simply “bad and not communist”
This is infuriating for someone in my position. I have fucking bled for communism and you have quite obviously done next to nothing, and barely any of the reading.
I’m sorry but I don’t have any more energy today to explain to counter-revolutionaries living in fear of the spectre of how I actually read Marx and Lenin and Mao and way more theory and pointless French revolutionary trivia, so maybe some other time. You don’t even know what fascism is! Tell me where it comes from in Das Kapital.
I am very upset with you and done with this conversation.
If you're getting very upset because someone is questioning your tactics (not your resolve, mind you, I believe that you have bled for revolution), then perhaps you should consider if you're as good a cadre as you think.
It is the responsibility of cadres to agitate and educate, not for the "deceived by psyop" masses to automatically accept your leadership.
And if we're going to talk about condescending, maybe reread what you've written, and ask yourself how you would react if someone spoke that way to you.
I'm asking for your definition of fascism because if I'm a fascist, I want to know what you mean. I believe you're wrong, but I'm willing to ask just in case I'm wrong.
If you were in fact wrong and were sectarian, how would you know? How would you submit your theory to scrutiny? You can't even describe what your theory is before you get frustrated and say "Read Mao. All of it." What great teachers of the masses you and your comrades must be!
If you're willing to discuss your views with me calmly, I'm willing to listen.
Edit: unnecessary apostrophe
Suffragettes did this with letter bombs.