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  • sedated [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Buddy have you even read Marx's life story lmao

    • Nakoichi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      History in general really. Everyone was so fucking drunk all the time in the 19th and 20th centuries.

      • Sushi_Desires
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        3 years ago

        And before ibuprofen even existed, madness. Imagine the headaches everyone must have had day after day, all day long

        • Nakoichi [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Nah they still had OJ back then and there's a reason "hair of the dog" is a thing.

          Fresh orange juice with all the pulp is a great thing to drink first thing in the morning after heavy drinking.

          • Sushi_Desires
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            3 years ago

            I wonder if they argued over the orange pulp like people do today

            • Nakoichi [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Doubtful. I'm sure strained OJ was a more recent thing brought on by mass production and juice from concentrate. Back then people would probably look at you funny for removing all the delicious and nutritious pulp.

        • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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          3 years ago

          Imagine what life must have been like before synthesized insulin. All the diabetic people would have died really quickly.

      • sedated [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I remember hearing that this was the case in old (Rome era) societies. They had wine and beer, albeit at much lower proofs than we drink today, as a common beverage because it was safer to drink. So peasants just got up and worked every day with a nice buzz.

        • Nakoichi [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          So peasants just got up and worked every day with a nice buzz.

          Some of us carry on the tradition 🍻

        • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Belgian laborers were fed calorie dense high alcohol dark beer as lunch.

          • sedated [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            The difference then is that they worked relatively few hours out of the day, had large spans of the year spent not having to work, and had festivals and community around their labor.

      • Nakoichi [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I mean there was no such thing as a Marxist yet. There were other socialists and sure he may not have had much of a direct material influence but his writing and development of historical materialism were extremely influential. We all have something to contribute and we also all have flaws. As long as you're not a reactionary or a counter-revolutionary you can be a good Marxist.

      • NPa [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I mean he was instrumental in creating the Working Men's Association and later the International, and he and Engels kinda took part in the German revolution of 1848, but he wasn't the one true leftist, if that's what you mean. He spent most of his time engaged in petty feuds and drama, and could be a real fuckhead, which is a time-honored tradition among Marxists.

  • jwsmrz [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I don't really want to delve into the theory aspects / "good vs bad marxist", but the fact is that its a brutal world and coping mechanisms dont give a fuck about moralism or ideology. If this is a coping mechanism for you there's no shame in that, but perhaps you'll find that eventually this coping mechanism doesn't serve you as well as others could

    Source: used to drink a fuckton (e.g. a 26 oz bottle a day, or more) have now gotten all the way to only having ~5 drinks a week

  • MerryChristmas [any]
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    3 years ago

    I quit drinking about a decade ago and never really looked back. It took moving to a new city where I didn't have any drinking buds, along with a Wellbutrin prescription, but it was so worth it. If at some point you have an interest in quitting and need advice or support, hit me up - I will be happy to offer any of the small bits of wisdom I've picked up over the years.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    3 years ago

    if marxism was a moral standard that one can be "good" or "bad" relative to, then it'd kind of suck. but i'd argue that being in a state of either intoxication or deprivation at all times is going to seriously reduce your effectiveness.

    i'm sure you don't need me to tell you this, but drinking and addiction don't make you a bad person. there are better reasons to get sober than that. i wish i knew how to really help you, comrade.

  • Sen_Jen [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    My org had a meeting recently about the use of alcohol, and we agreed that heavy and/or regular use of alcohol should be discouraged among members. It's bad for your physical heth, your mental health and it makes learning and productivity a lot harder.

    This isn't a moral judgement on anyone, drinking doesn't make you bad and abstaining doesn't make you good. I drink more than I should. It's just a material analysis of alcohol use