• CheGueBeara [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I don't want to spend 40 minutes on this lol. I've gone in for 6 and it's already told people to use V*ush videos to debunk Prager U, gone on a tangent about modern "Stalinists", and quibbled about Ukraine being a US proxy without contending with what anyone claiming such a thing actually uses to justify it. It's just storytelling and no analysis from someone dropping "rationalist" dog whistles every two minutes.

    • somename [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      It doesn’t have to make sense, just give a sense of confirmation to viewers that already sit in or near his ideological camp.

      • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        It feels like listening to a baby atheist trying to debunk Islam because they read 1/3 of a Dawkins book. What they lack in knowledge they make up for in the pretense of certainty.

        I watched a little more and now he just quibbled about the difference between US funds and weapons "ending up" with Nazis vs the US funding Nazis, with the debunk being a hypothetical about Nazi Germany. He never contends with what the articles say nor the fact that the US has specifically targeted support to Nazi groups. Just moves on after the hypothetical. When calling it out, he basically did the :reddit-logo: fallacy citation thing too, lol.

        I'm impressed that there are so many dum-dums out there who take this seriously.

        • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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          3 years ago

          with the debunk being a hypothetical about Nazi Germany.

          What, like a hypothetical reality where we didn't put them all right back into power after they had done the holocaust? This fucking dog brain

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            Dogs have not smart brain, but that's cause like90% of their grey matter is dedicated to being eager to please. Dogs have better brain

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          I was that atheist, when I was 14. I did the thing where you keep learning stuff after that age.

    • GenXen [any, any]
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      3 years ago

      He referenced V*ush and Shaun in the same breath!

      :gui-better:

    • Rojo27 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      You're braver than I am. Thank you for your service and sacrifice:rat-salute:

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Stalin has been living free in the West's head for 70 years. Pick a new boogieman already.

  • VHS [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Idk who this guy is but he sounds like the new V****h but with less pedophilia

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      with less pedophilia

      give it time, it always happens

    • Zoift [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      First I heard of him was as a guest on Well There's Your Problem, where he dunked on the SovU for a bit and then started loudly complaining afterwards cause he was being bullied on Twitter over it.

      So yeah, this is all tracking so far.

      • fox [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        He had some good takes on how dumb shit Tesla is and more generally how Musk's projects are trash fires, but it seems Ceausescu got rooted in his brain as what communism is and that's that

    • ultraviolet [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      He's like a fascist version of donoteat01. Idk if he's as popular as the clown man.

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I will not watch this, and I encourage others to do the same.

  • DJMSilver [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I stopped after he was comparing Banderites to members of ISIS and how their politics have to be reactionary to defend themselves against invaders. It's just a repetition of what the State Departments wants you to think of these events.

    EDIT: I skipped around the video at 31:17 and he's going like "WE HAD TO INTEGRATE THE AZOV BATTALION, UKRAINE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE!!!!". Literally the same arguments used to justify Hitler. This is the brainrot that comes from 'realist' geopolitical analysis, no opinion from the masses.

    Also cites radio free europe as a source to dismiss anti-Semitism attacks. It seems like we've forgotten that a big part of the Nazi ideology was also anti-slavic so it's simply not to say that "they cannot be nazi's because jews are in the azov battalion" (ignoring how modern day Israel resembles much of Nazi policies in trying to make a settler colonial state against Palestine).

    • catposter [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      their politics have to be reactionary to defend themselves against invaders

      :side-eye-1: :side-eye-2:

      i have heard this exact argument made for why being gay had to be recriminalized in the USSR before

      • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        i have heard this exact argument made for why being gay had to be recriminalized in the USSR before

        and it's cringe and wrong when those people use it, too

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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      3 years ago

      i mean he's not wrong about comparing banderites to ISIS, concidering how both were funded by the state department

      • DJMSilver [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I know, I just have a big issue with claiming that ISIS had mass support when in fact it was the masses themselves who were resisting them. Why is he giving ISIS, Al Quada and the Taliban all the credit for the large amounts of people who resisted the US Invasion. The CIA wants to frame them as the leaders of the mass resistance.

        • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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          3 years ago

          well from how it's sounding from a lot of the locals around Mariupol, the masses are generally resisting the banderites while they're being portrayed as the leaders of the mass resistance.

          • DJMSilver [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Thank God. I love seeing the bodies of dead Avov Soliders, i've noticed the Mariupol events have been unreported in the media.

            • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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              3 years ago

              apparently theres some pictures going around of a Russian massacring a bunch of civilians while they were cooking breakfast. but all they show is the aftermath.

              Like I can acknowledge theres always a possibility of some trigger-happy psychos in their military going off, yet considering how often we've heard of ukrainian and azov forces razing everything as they retreat, bomb civilian centers deliberately, hide in refugee camps to draw in russian artillery fire, etc, I'd find it easier to believe some azov psychos had a hand in creating that photo

  • somename [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I haven’t really seen much of the Gravel content, but it seems like they’re doing a good thing. They’ve got to be spreading at least a decent message, if they’re getting 40min counter propaganda vids.

  • Vncredleader
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    3 years ago

    I sure am glad WTYP spent 2 hours yucking it up with him and laughing along with his race science and openly fascist shit, or "opposing" him with stupid memes. Fucking disgusting

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        same thing with that faraday speaks guy, the left youtubers just fell all over themselves to boost him

        wonder if he already did the heel turn

    • Merkin_Muffley [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Was that the time Liam was having a really good time doing a anticommunism with a fascist because they both despise the Soviet Union or was that a different shitshow?

      • Vncredleader
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        3 years ago

        Nope that's the one. usually he just spouts fascist shit on his own. I guess they felt they should give him a buddy to do it with

  • Cromalin [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I feel bad, because I feel like I was the first person to post his stuff here, and I was like 'I know he's kind of a lib, but he still makes good stuff's and ever since he's been doing his best to prove me wrong.

    • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      the wtyp crew are not as politically cool as we all are and yet i'm pretty sure they're cringing way harder than you after humoring him for two or so hours

  • Prolefarian [he/him]
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    edit-2
    3 years ago

    The Gravel teens have been on fire lately their videos are pretty great.

    Edit: I just checked and the video in question appears to no longer be listed on their youtube account :angery:

  • Harajukum [any]
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    3 years ago

    right of passage to get a debunk vid by a reddit lib

  • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    lol the gravel institute's video was made private.

    damn, it's almost like adam's narrative has a lot more institutional backing in the west than does the gravel institute's narrative, here.

      • mao_zedonk [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Holy shit, tf? That was a good video and not even really controversial to my memory?

      • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Nah that's just part of their strategy. If they rock the boat too much then the PtB will have a justification to start suppressing them.

        Usually they have a private channel where they put all their deleted content, which really enhances the "See? Free speech is a lie" line.

        Remember: These people are running on hostile territory. 90% of what they say would get them killed and they're outright posting it straight onto fash platforms.

  • ButtBidet [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I watched until 12:00 when he blames Russia for the resurgence of Stepan Bandera worship.