Stop going on Reddit. :funny-clown-hammer: you have been it with a large funny clown hammer.
Check out this peak Reddit post
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Check out what r/neoliberal said about
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You won’t believe what redditors are saying about Ukraine
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Stop going on Reddit.
My position formerly was that those of us whose mental health was not at stake, actually should continue to go on reddit and argue with libs, chuds, feds, whatever. Not because we would change the minds of those we're arguing with but because of the countless lurkers who would see our arguments and the seeds that would then be planted. And please stfu up with "omg this guy thinks posting is praxis! har har!" because the pipeline I followed to land on /r/chapotraphouse and then here was because I was a lurker watching those arguments and I could identify the good faith and the sensical and empathetic from the bad faith, cruel, and nihilistic bullshit. And I know there were many others like me. How many of you were libs who were fortunate enough to read some good "tankie" arguments and started thinking about the implications?
That said, we really have been shut down now. Systematically. Anything that goes against the predominant neolib narrative in any major subreddit, and a vast majority of the smaller ones, is immediately silenced one way or another. We not only get downvoted to oblivion, dogpiled with flames, shadowbanned, or just regular banned, they're doing petty shit like literally not making our up/downvotes count anywhere else on the site. (I know that's inconsequential, but it's something they do that they don't admit to that just pisses me off). So yeah... at this point, it's not even worth trying to have arguments for the sake of the lurkers - as I used to always advocate for. I still say, if you think you can be heard, go there and spout some fucking truth. But they're making it so that truth can't even be heard anymore.
I don't have a fucking clue, but maybe for those of you who still are interested in trying to win over or at least sway some terminally-online hearts & minds might consider advocating for reddit alternatives. There's always hexbear to mention, but probably better just to start spamming about the lemmy fediverse. Instead of trying to engage in arguments on reddit (like I recently would have said was a good thing to do), start trying to draw the marginally open-minded people away from that cesspit of indoctrination towards places where lurkers can once again hear a counternarrative.
I just hate "giving up" on such a massive tool of propaganda like reddit is, and leaving it entirely for the three-letter agencies to infiltrate completely without repudiation - something they've been striving for and why they banned chapo and why they're getting rid of GZD, et al. Just..... propaganda works, people. Pipelines are real. We need to establish some fucking pipelines instead of letting them have them all! Gah.
You argued pretty convincingly, and yeah, it do be like that now.
I agreed with your former take, but with the way things are now on :reddit-logo: , maybe it really is time for stop arguing with them. I see watching horrible people spread horrible takes as a sort of doomscrolling, not necessarily healthy but unfortunately addictive.
If I stopped posting bad things said at the bad place, it'd be with your argument in mind, not the petty insult-laden hostility I've experienced elsewhere in this thread that ironically isn't far off from :reddit-logo: attitude to begin with.
I have to admit I'm not entirely clear on what you're saying. (?) I agree it may well be time to stop trying to argue on reddit but only because they're making it so that our arguments cannot be seen by more than two people before they're deleted and we're banned. Horrible people are going to be spreading horrible takes, like you said, and if we can circumvent that in any meaningful way, it would be a good thing for us to do so (for those of us that are inclined, and who won't suffer much from the ways in which that may be detrimental to mental health). Doomscrolling is, for better or worse, very addictive, you're totally right. But when I doomscroll here on Hexbear, I get a much more accurate idea of what doom is ahead of me and what remaining avenues might be left, however unlikely, to avert it. The goal is to get those few people with a lobe or two of brain left uninfected with brainworms to see this, and join up with us instead of just eating the neolib lie-slop that would be the only thing they're otherwise being fed.
As for petty hostility, yeah... that never helps anyone ever. I think I need to read the rest of the thread more closely, I just kind of skimmed it, but so far as I can tell, you and I are in agreement.
I think you got what I was saying pretty clearly, actually.
Sometimes I did consider actively posting on :reddit-logo: again, but especially in light of current events, that's such an uphill battle with selectively enforced rules and anti-left moderators and admins enforcing those rules that I don't know if it's worth trying anymore.
At a personal level, this place is less toxic by a significant margin than Reddit, even on niche subreddits (sometimes niche interests can get really defensive over little things and they can blow up bad), but it can still get bad, sometimes for very petty and divisive reasons. Feels bad man.
for reddit posts can I gently ask you to consider posting a screenshot and putting a link in the body? want to see what you're talking about but not as excited to load reddit to do it
I actually tend to imgur things that I link when possible, but then people here get mad that it isn't a direct link. :shrug-outta-hecks:
Not just three letter agencies, but think tanks and political entities and local police too. For example, I'm in an MMA hole right now and I just stumbled over this post by the cop who knocked out Kimbo Slice once: WARNING: REDDIT
So many anti-left groups with such deep pockets.
You should be making propaganda on tiktok or wherever people go. Reddit is a dying social media format.
What’s the next tiktok? I aim to get in on the ground floor and contaminate it full of communist filth.
Bad things go away and never affect anything else as long as no one talks about them ever again. That's why /pol/ as a "containment board" was such a smashing success. :think-about-it:
Yeah but do you think constantly talking about reddit will make it go away also?
Talking about a problem won't by itself solve the problem, but ignoring a problem is probably worse.
You must be fun at parties / who hurt you? / you mad / kindly point out where exactly I demonstrated the need to touch grass. I'll wait.
When you use :reddit-logo: tier cliches to scold Reddit usage, the :reddit-logo: is already inside the house, Masque of the Red Death style.
And who the fuck do you think brought that shit into the house in the first place?
Users like yourself who constantly harangue about how shitty reddit is. Like fucking duh, we get it. The entire internet is shitty as it is a capitalist propanganda and surveillance apparatus. And it encourages the worst people to spout bullshit because that's what brings in money to the so called "social media" sites like reddit.
I swear to god, mfers like yourself do a better job of advertising for reddit than they do themselves :matt-jokerfied:
That's a lot of unnecessary hostility for what was (I assume) supposed to be a more lighthearted ribbing thread, posted on April 1 of all days, whether or not that was intentionally timed.
You don't seem to need that site's direct influence to be hostile and shitty. You've brought your own homemade version of Reddit's typical attitude. :matt-jokerfied:
You've sent pretty much all the insults and namecalling in this exchange. That seems smug and assholish to me.
You managed to recreate the worst of Reddit without (supposedly) going on Reddit. That's kind of sad.
No what I am trying to do is to get you and everyone else who reddit posts constantly to a) stop doing psychic damage to yourselves while also b) getting you lot to stop constantly talk about reddit's bullshit. It's basically the kind of talk you hear from a friend who can't stop talking about their ex even after they have broken up 2 years ago. Like, oh my fucking god. In the end, all that constant talk about reddit just ends up driving people away. Is that what you want? Do you want to drive users away? Because that is what you're doing.
You managed to recreate the worst of Reddit without (supposedly) going on Reddit. That’s kind of sad.
And those gaslighting bits you manage thrown in? Way to be a Redditor. :stalin-approval:
As far as this goes, have at it. Do the psychic damage to yourself. I'm tired of trying to get you and others to stop.
My function here is keep myself updated on the war and other news that the Propaganda Outlets won't publish/refuse to cover. And that's what will be from now on.
Congratulations.
You really are presenting everything you're accusing me of, and more, all because of... what? Some weird personal animosity?
The concern trolling (and passive aggression) you just posted is also prime :reddit-logo: material. I no longer believe you when you say you never went there, because you're presenting almost a caricature of the kind of person that made me stop posting there entirely. Yes, I lurk, but if I argued with people there again, I'd get rage messages from people like you all day. Again.
You're throwing the insults here. I'm responding to them as they come, and keep coming.
I say this with unfortunate seriousness: you might want to try (or more likely, return to) Reddit, because with the way you've presented yourself today, you'd fit right in.
For a guy who was saying “touch grass” a little higher in the thread, you sure have revealed yourself to be in need for some grass touching yourself
This.
Calling others smug assholes after doing the "touch grass" schtick is laughable. The sweeping pronouncements and insults don't make ya seem more enlightened or less-redditor-esq
Nothing. It's meant to be a thought terminating cliche to shut people up.
Sometimes, the :reddit-logo: attitude is home made and imported fresh.
Continue touching grass.
Get out of your house. Talk to people IRL. Join an org like IWW. Organize.
And if you already do those thing, great! Do it often enough to where reddit is the furthest thing from your mind. You'll be a fully adjusted, reddit-less human being in no time!
Physician, heal thyself.
By that I mean that you're not setting a good example by flinging insults and being petty and vindictive in this thread to other people. If you're going to rage about people being very online, at the very least lead by example and do better.
Talking about reddit doesn't help anyone, not talking about it we can at least save ourselves
Talking about a problem won't by itself solve the problem, but ignoring a problem is probably worse.
Compared to some other responses in this thread, I think it was a good take.
Unless you can permanently destroy reddit (please do) that's a bad analogy
I'm not sure why that is. /pol/ was never permanently destroyed, even if it was closed and renamed a few times. Ignoring /pol/ didn't make /pol/ go away and the "don't feed the trolls" dogma of those years only helped spread /pol/'s "ironic" fascist ideology over the rest of 4chan and outward from there, dropping the "irony" part over time when it was convenient.
I may have put that badly, what I mean is:
-destroying pol is the only way to deal with it
-if you believe pol is analogous to reddit, that's the only way to deal with reddit also
-posting screencaps from r/news is not going to destroy reddit, maybe the opposite
I never planned or hoped for posting to somehow destroy :reddit-logo: or /pol/ for that matter, but I have my doubts about "maybe the opposite" considering just how much of a failure "don't feed the trolls was" in /pol/'s nascent period in preventing its ideological spread.
Ignoring places that millions of people visit and read from every day is like ceding territory and then pretending it (and the people that go there) simply don't exist.
Just from my forum experiences (not a 4chan user): The nazi trolls failed when mods and admins deleted, banned and punished them with prejudice
Not one of them was defeated by people epically arguing with them forum style
I actually agree that deplatforming is the only truly effective way to fight them.
My point is until that can be done, until that is even possible, outright ignoring things isn't helping and pretending they don't exist seems more like a personal preference being pushed on other people than some helpful or useful praxis.
At the least, the idea of "/pol/ is full of a bunch of nazis" eventually raised enough public awareness where now without being prompted and without saying anything, I often see /pol/ directly associated with nazis (fortunately, usually as a negative) when it's brought up by internet strangers. If /pol/ was somehow thoroughly ignored nonstop as some sort of blanket mandate that everyone followed, that awareness would have never happened.
I hardly use reddit at all anymore but that's exactly the reason I appreciate people posting bad reddit takes here. Hexbear is the only social media I use regularly so if not for comms like the dunk tank I'd have no idea what the wider internet is actually thinking.
Plus if we don't regularly dunk on and laugh at the libs, the overwhelming consensus against leftism both in real life and elsewhere on the internet eventually starts to make me feel like a fringe weirdo for being a communist.
That's how I felt about it too. Ignoring them doesn't make them go away and pretending they don't exist is like ceding the rest of the internet to their influence without so much as an argument.
:reddit-logo: itself is clamping down hard on dissent, so arguing there may be nearly impossible, but awareness (and some cathartic heckling) isn't automatically worse than ignoring bad things and hoping they go away instead of spread.
For reals, why do you all torture yourselves by going on to :reddit-logo: ?
Like, I get using it for niche forum stuff, but only subscribe to those subs and ignore the rest of the garbage.
I just go on for r/TrueAnon and they have a really niche west coast underground hip hope subreddit I'm into.
Is hip hope a thing or did you just get auto corrected on hip hop? ::*search engine commencing....::
Result: "Hip-hope cushions falls to prevent fractures in elderly"
Kinda a thing.
"Stop using this particular social media, only use this other social media"
:brainworms:
Broke: Stop going on Reddit
Woke: Stop going on the internet
Bespoke: Stop going...
Like, use the niche forums by all means, but unsubscribe from all of the garbage.
But this website's audience loves being outraged by things. If people stopped posting outrageous reddit takes, they wouldn't get that good feeling. You want people to feel bad?
We always need to have something outside of ourselves to be enraged about or else we'll just need to start cannibalizing each other.
I hate it when i see Reddit linked or screenshotted here. If i wanted to see stupid people on reddit I’d go there. It’s not outrageous: people on Reddit are stupid. Get over it.
Deleting your reddit account is the mental health equivalent of going vegan: you're just sort of instantly healthier
