I kinda just think it'll overall be like when Trump was inaugurated: Large, but peaceful, protests that'll eventually and quietly die out.
Maybe a few people will do adventurism, but not on the scale we saw in 2020 with pds being burned down n shit.
I hope I'm wrong I really do, but I just don't think libs have it in them, even over this
It'll just be women's marches parts 2-5. There will be a few more "Jane's Revenge" style attacks on anti-choice orgs that will end with the FBI doing an entrapment on a bunch of liberal women. In 20 years a bunch of files will be declassified that will show that like 70% of all "Jane's Revenge" attacks were false flags done by the FBI to demonize pro-choice activists.
I kinda agree, but from what I've been hearing people say irl, seems like they're waiting for the actual decision to go through, like they don't believe it's real at this point or that Dems will swoop in and save the day. It could easily get weird if that expectation is shattered for the avg griller.
I am concerned that it may take a whole ass generation until americans realise just exactly why reproductive rights are so important though.
They may end up needing to personally experience via friends and family which will take time
Every new economic cycle we test out whether women, poc, and lgbt people are human beings or not.
Yeah i have doubts that that was the intent but it's definitely had the effect of burning off some of the outrage before the inevitable explosion when the actual case is announced
I think so many people are just resigned to it now
I don't care what people think, the 2020 summer of love was the most successful the left ever came as a unified force in this country, I mean it all still came crashing and burning down but compared to like occupy wallstreet it actually had an impact on peoples lives.
idk, in recent history sure but I don't think you can really compare it to the struggles and successes of the 30s, especially since they lasted more than a single summer and had massive effects on the social fabric and politics of the country that lasted for decades
A big difference between 2020 and the 1930s is that back then, American activists were happy to work with foreign powers like the USSR. Today most Americans willing to march in a protest (at least) would still view that as treachery—even to publicly express solidarity with Cuba or something. But the USA is such a big nasty fuckin’ beast, to paraphrase Queen Amidala: “we’re gonna need some help!”
without a doubt. Things have to start off hot and even then the odds that you can keep that going are so low. I cant imagine starting off as cool as it has been so far and somehow it escalating to 2020 levels of anger unless they execute a women for having an abortion or something. Also these protests are way too white. Feels like the people organizing them have spent zero time reaching out to women of color and it shows.
Also these protests are way too white. Feels like the people organizing them have spent zero time reaching out to women of color and it shows.
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this defeatism swirling around here is such a fucking bummer nothing good will ever happen if we constantly wallow in despair and look to what the goddamn liberals are going to do about stuff.
and this is completely vibes-based speculation, my god--the possibility for escalation via pro-life fanatic counterprotests and ever-emboldened and funded (thanks dems!) police is extremely real. the orgs and anger from 2020 didn't disappear, and reproductive rights orgs are serious and popular.
the orgs and anger from 2020 didn’t disappear
Most of those orgs suck ass tho
more defeatism? under my anti-defeatist post? its more likely than you think.
like whatever some might be too myopic and liberal to turn out for this but my point is we're not starting from scratch.
I literally am still incredibly involved with the orgs in LA.
They suck ass. They're all busy organizing sidewalk marches to go to the park to vogue for Instagram. Even the "leftist" orgs are too busy whining about language choices and refusing to log off in lieu of endless discord and zoom chats.
It's hard to stay optimistic when you've been seeing the same shit happen since 2002
This idea isn't originally mine, but it does seem like these mass movements are getting both more frequent and more radical at time goes on. I think when I saw it being talked about (I don't remember where), they were drawing a line from the WTO riots, to Occupy, to 2020, probably with some more in there that I'm forgetting. If Roe doesn't spark off the next one, I think it's definitely priming us for it. As many people have mentioned at this point, if they overturn Roe, gay marriage is almost certainly next on the chopping block. Especially if that happens in the next couple of years while Roe is still fresh in the public's minds, I definitely think it wouldn't happen without some kind of uprising
people on this site are constantly forecasting "material conditions get worse stuff gonna pop off" then in the face of present, major downgrades in conditions they're all like "nah not this time"
I think it's in the left's interest to be prepared for every one of these to be the next big one, even if they don't turn out to be. We need to be ready to jump in straight away and ride it as far as we can, and that won't happen if we give up before the thing even happens. We'll realize too late that there was potential, and by the time the left gets involved in earnest, the whole thing has already been co-opted by the DNC.
If we want a 1917, we need a 1905 first, and that won't happen unless we're ready for it
yup. defeatism is high-calibre liberalism that mutes and destroys are opportunities
i have a suspicion a good portion of dudes here are viewing Roe as some kinda culture war immaterial issue and not an urgent economic concern, and thats coloring this shit about "not Roe but food riots"
As Lenin himself said, “the representatives of the modern labour movement find that they have plenty to protest against but nothing to despair about. Despair is typical of the classes which are perishing, but the class of wage-workers is growing inevitably, developing and becoming strong in every capitalist society, Russia included. Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle. The modern industrial proletariat does not belong to the category of such classes.”
I think there's definitely a good chunk of the left that goes so far in rejecting liberal identity politics that they discount identity entirely, and become class-reductionists in the pursuit of combating identity-reductionism. And past that point, any issue that effects people based on their identity more than their class is rejected as less important than purely class-based issues. This is what no intersectionality does to a person lol
Man Chin would vote correctly if only PROGRESSIVES would stop being so noisy. 😤
Just gotta keep the rage alive. Vote blue no matter who for 20 years and they’ll eventually get to it.
It’s not just the Democrats. The left (very broadly speaking) worships failure the way medieval Christians worshipped martyrdom. The idea that we could actually succeed in building a Soviet States of Turtle Island or a New Afrika or whatever horrifies most leftists.
Mass protests over roe v wade? Not gonna be 2020 scale response. A different social or economic shock happen that results in mass protest and revolt this summer 2022? Possibly yes.
No, the moment has passed for that.
Things are getting very spicy in general, though. Maybe the famines will begin soon.
Libs don’t have it in them to do literally anything but :vote: and issue strongly worded posts
Use the situation to recruit for your socialist organization. Socialist organizations and a host of feminist an vs trans orgs will probably be the only ones doing anything coherently. Work together with them to recruit and build so that the balance shifts away from liberal aesthetics.
I don't think protesting a supreme court decision ultimately makes sense in the lib mind.
Protesting a law makes sense as maybe it can encourage politicians to change the law. But the supreme court is supposedly not supposed to be swayed by public opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Floyd protest were largely against the institution of policing. The libs aren't gonna suddenly turn on the institution of the Supreme court
Supposedly the military is the only institution Americans really respect anymore. That’ll change when the cool zone returns (which it eventually will) and when the government breaks the law and has to rely on the fucking army and marines (not just the national guard) to restore order.
