I mean, this could never succeed without a massive political crisis. But of course as the timeline continues to get more ridiculous of course there will be some sort of GOP faction in the government that allows it to happen and all the feckless liberals in the house and senate will do nothing at all. So yeah speedrunning collapse of the U.S. into a balkanized cluster of republics sounds good to me.
im pretty sure balkanization is the only path, but i am concerned for comrades who end up in whatever the fuck Idaho/Utah/Montana/Wyoming/Dakotas becomes.
If we were more organized we could be establishing evacuation pathways.
We really do need to work out how we'd go about building a modern underground railroad.
It will be needed sooner than I thought...
Hell, we already need it for trans kids and people that need abortions.
Apparently some of the Portland protestors in summer 2020 dropped their protest activities during the wildfire evacuations and instead set up ad hoc mutual aid networks to distribute supplies and help families and individuals get out of evacuated areas. That might serve as a good model, especially if the evacuation pathways could build upon the already existing organizing work that might still remain in those areas.
By the way, while these protestors were setting up rescue networks, small groups of chuds grabbed their rifles and posted up "roadblocks" at key locations on the highways under the pretext of "detaining arsonists." So this evacuation pathway would obviously have to include armed defense with as much training as possible.
But the Republican establishment will not allow them to do this, they would lose control over the US federal government without the TX Congresspeople and electoral votes. It is more likely that the GOP-controlled federal government pushes a few blue states out.
Hello I'm Texan and there's no practical base of support for a secession movement, because the only people who care are weird suburban chuds who want a white ethnostate. The sentient blobs of oil that comprise Texan capitalists would hate secession and would immediately leave. There's no way they want to lose access to interstate highway systems or all those tax subsidies. There's no way they want to lose American passports or the amount of trade going through the port of Houston and Port Arthur.
Enforcing secession wouldn't work either because yeah, it's inherently a white ethnostate project. Good luck doing that where the plurality of people are hispanic.
Complete pipedream that would collapse within a month. Best part is if Texas did this we'd have to institute an income tax to fund even the bare minimum of water treatment and agriculture without all those sweet federal subsidies. I say let them go for it. It would be a funny month before the theocratic white supremacist Texas sheepishly asks to be annexed because the public funds ran dry.
I feel like you are not cynical enough and are not considering 1) 2016 showed us that that hooting chud base has seized control of the gop, 2) voter suppression, 3) a certain subset of the latino demographic being really into the GOP especially the anti-abortion plank 4) a subset of native-born latinos being really fucking racist towards indigenous people and Central Americans, and 5) latinos being allowed to pass for white when it suits white supremacy's goals
- a subset of native-born latinos being really fucking racist towards indigenous people and Central Americans
No where near enough and a significant chunk of those are on the border and reliant on the trade and patronage of rich Mexicans or federal law enforcement jobs
- latinos being allowed to pass for white when it suits white supremacy’s goal
The White Supremacist project isn't nearly coherent enough for the border Latinos to go along with. East Texas and South Texas are complete different worlds
I'm skeptical about the hooting chuds enacting any sort of coherent structured plan like secession. They don't do plans. They take money from the public and then run because they're all hucksters. The only direction they have is atomization and secession would require a massive redirection of funds and resources I don't believe they have the wits nor energy to commit towards.
Yeah, there is a worrying amount of latino Americans being swayed into weird blood and soil white nationalism, especially the more distant they are to an immigrant heritage. It kind of reminds me of how the children of Irish immigrants all became cops. I'm not sure how this particular thing will shake out, because a disproportionate amount of latinos are still impoverished or in prison. It also depends on where they live. Suburbanites in east Texas aren't necessarily being swayed the same as people out west.
i mean there's got to be a difference
brexit was a referendum to do a legal separation of an already sovereign country from an international political union. There were already protocols written in place for it to happen in the EU's constitution. The British chuds couldn't even do it right, because they had to keep delaying it for like 5 years, right?
Texas secession would be an illegal separation of a territory whose government is a silly marionette show for oil companies and real estate grifters. The most organized group in the state is Joel Osteen's church. Texan secessionists even if they succeeded would be under immediate embargo and debt from the remaining USA and probably a bunch of other countries who would refuse to recognize the country's sovereignty. It would be a silly cartoon race to see who can put their puppet dictator into power first.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that underestimating how batshit insane conservatives can get tends to lead to disappointment.
Texas sheepishly asks to be annexed because the public funds ran dry.
isn't this basically what happened last time Texas was "independent"? they only held off as long as they did by selling off parts of the "republic" to the Feds for cash, which they almost immediately squandered.
Not a bug, but a feature.
Polk's whole plan in Texas was to gobble it up following secession. The military advisors and politicos he sent down there during and after the rebellion hijacked the government. They deliberately carved up and sold off the country as planned.
Do not underestimate what a decade of "muh sovereignty" media can do to the population.
Hello I’m Texan and there’s no practical base of support for a secession movement
Have you considered Edgelords-Per-Capita
What's even the point when they'll get their dream fascist theocracy in 2024?
Exactly, this is just meat for the chuds, they will be getting the full meal and tons more people to torture after the next few elections.
the US is falling apart :sicko-hair:
i live in the US :sicko-no:
happy to see the US getting more and more fractured but the idea of a Texas government no longer even bound by US federal law and able to do what they want to marginalised people is terrifying tbh
In 1986 activists from the Red River Peace Network purchased 20 acres (81,000 m2) adjacent to Pantex to create the "Peace Farm", described as "a visible witness against weapons of mass destruction." Its staff and board organized events, rallies, and gatherings opposing nuclear weapons through the 1990s and now organizes events related to the environment, nuclear proliferation and waste disposal, and peace issues.
imagine living under threat of nuclear annihilation and thinking what's needed is "raising awareness" by buying yourselves a farm
Next you'll tell me that the Air Force academy is in the evangelical hot spot of Colorado Springs which heavily infiltrates it to the point of scandal. That the silos are tucked away into the backwoods of evangelical states with few guards and compromised officers.
Nah, I think they're all in Whyoming or North Dakota. You know, where all the sane people live.
Thinking about this too. How does a seceded Texas not immediately see massive brain drain and emigration? Those people are still US citizens, and suddenly making their home part of an evangelical theocracy would make a lot of them leave.
At least half of the population would try to leave. Complete social collapse. A whole lot of jobs and money in Texas come from the highways and ports. Suddenly change those from America to the Serene Republican Church of Texas without a very tightly organized diplomatic arrangement would collapse the whole thing.
Also independent Texas would immediately become a vassal state for America so why would it even matter
US is so poisoned about state's rights and the federal government has lost so much power and legitimacy, what else could happen? Is there anything stopping them from hurting marginalized people right now? Remember there's a border militia shooting immigrants, there are concentration camps where they perform sterilization. The good people in the federal government haven't stopped it. Even if there was someone with the will to do so, how would they do it without causing Texas to secede anyways? The only time they're ever going to send in the national guard is when there's a protest.
I'm like 90% sure that under US law they cannot, in fact, secede. But trying would be funny.
There's no legal precedent for secession. Last time secession was handled with a 5 year long war and no one wants that nor can they afford it
Though given the size disparity in this theoretical war, Texas would be unlikely to last 5 weeks
They have a right to split themselves into 5 pieces iirc, and all pieces get admitted as states.
Has it ever been explicitly stated what those 5 states could be? I could imagine [Dumbest timeline lathe moment] that Texas might use this to gerrymander itself 5 of the ugliest state borders you've ever seen in order to amass all of the most rabid, foaming republicans into one area like they already do with their congressional districts
Those 5 states would be:
Shit Piss Poop Fart Diarrhea
Sorry I don't make the rules thats Texas for ya
Has it ever been explicitly stated what those 5 states could be?
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It would have to be ratified by a large majority of Congress, rural Californians have been talking about reforming as the State of Jefferson for years.
According to the article there has already been a supreme court case confirming that Texas is not allowed to secede. The federal government is very firm on the fact that once a state is in, it's in.
While that is true, technically they were brought into the union illegally. So there is an out if some Do Nothing Democrat didn't want to start a civil war over it.
Doesn't the US constitution prohibit the secession of the states?
Looks like it's gonna be crisis time, baby! :posadist-nuke:
The courts have said it's illegal but it's not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
So according to Texans there’s a general belief that part of Texas’s agreement to be annexed into the USA meant they retained a right to secede if they ever decided to.
Idk how true that actually is but if you live in tx long enough you’ll hear someone say “actually Texas is the only state legally allowed to secede!” (Most of the time apropos of nothing )
I do know that america would most likely not tolerate it and I know for sure that Texas would be turbo fucked if it did
How much do you have to not pay attention to think that being an independent oil rich country right next to the US would be good for you?
loads rifle with oil-stealing intent - us troops prolly
I'm convinced this concept comes from a misinterpretation of the 1844 Texas-Tyler treaty, where the only special rights given were the ability for Texas to immediately become a state and also split itself into several other states. Texas did split into multiple states, with the territory eventually becoming parts of Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Colorado. There's no formal right for Texas to secede and when the state tried it was regarded as illegal and you know there was that whole civil war thing.
yeah thatd make a lot more sense than texas just being special lol i always figured it was some weird texas exceptionalism cope
It says nothing about it AFAIK. We just had Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman to say :bugs-no: last time.
This would be a massive transfer of suffering from the other 49 states onto Texas minorities
relax everybody, this is genuinely a normal thing for the texas GOP to do, it's just make believe
The Texan GOP does a thing where they want to juice up primary voters so they hide in culture war stuff to grease the hogs so they'll also vote for policies like reintroducing company scrip or deregulating oil even more
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