(favorites, hate-watch, overrated, underrated)
The Best: Lindsay Ellis - always on point with her analysis, never cared for theater til I came across her channel
Underrated: Innuendo Studios - the alt-right playbook is essential watching
Overrated: Philosophy Tube - (I can hear the hisses) just cannot sit through any of the videos, too much fluff
omg yes I use to tuned in to several because they were informative and entertaining, now it's all focused on navel-gazing drama, i don't envy the psychic toll it must take.
ughh oh my god, yes! i thought i was alone in this but the longwinded theatrics with artsy lighting just do not interest me at all. gimme well-paced, structured, watchable information over mood any day of the week
Yeah, PhilosophyTube and Contrapoints both are just hard to sit through at this point.
I loved their old stuff where it was just good old person talking to a character with occasional fun editing but now it’s like 50 minutes worth of performance art and 5 minutes worth of content
It’s not for me.
The arsonist bit was good though. Agree that every leftist absolutely should watch the whole alt-right playbook series. Along with The War On Everyone
Overrated: Philosophy Tube - (I can hear the hisses) just cannot sit through any of the videos, too much fluff
I don't know why you wouldn't want to have 45 uninterrupted minutes of staring at Oliver's gorgeous face
Does Lindsay Ellis count as a breadtuber? She's a media critic, and politics only comes into her videos when it's relevant to whatever movie she's critiquing.
I feel like in most videos she’s pretty forward with left wing thought so I’d personally count her. Though her videos aren’t as political as most “breadtubers”
Favorites- Well, there's your problem. Some more news.
For intro for people and I'll still watch sometimes- Beau of the fifth column
Does Jim Sterling count as breadtube? Cause I kinda feel like they do.
at this point yeah he is one of fathers of complaining about capitalism in games the og breadtuber
been watching jim for a long fucking time, and he's def. turned hard left (or the mask is slipping) this year. there's beginning to turn up alot of little red dogwhistles that make me suspect that he's either reading theory or frequents leftist forums.
This is not sorted except in that I put similar content next to each other. It's descriptively rated rather than numerically rated. The only numerical rating I'll give is to 3Blue1Brown, who is not a breadtuber, but still gets a perfect pi out of pi for his insightful math content.
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Lindsay Ellis - She's good. I think her analysis is a little more shallow than it used to be. That's understandable given how many things she's doing at once now, but it's still a decline. She's still good.
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Kyle Kallgren - Pretentious as all hell, but like in a good way. Is antifa, likes shakespeare. Underrated.
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Shaun - I don't like how the patreon model seems to reward longer and longer blobs of content. Shaun's content has survived this trend better than a lot of the others, where a two hour Shaun vid is almost as good as four half hour ones back to back would be. Still wish he'd cut it down.
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Three Arrows - Great. Like Shaun but with some restraint and tighter scripts. Talks about right wing ideas and why they're wrong. I do not care that one time somebody told you the third arrow represents anti-communism.
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Innuendo Studios - Excellent. Has a great understanding of alt right bullshit.
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Contrapoints - I take a long time to get around to her videos at this point. It was cool when she was adding drama to spice up her show about talking about things, but now it's mostly spice and very little analysis.
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Philosophy Tube - Like Contrapoints, I think his material has become too focused on the theatrical to actually get anywhere. There still tends to be some insight in there.
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Thought Slime - Hit and miss. He does good analysis of anarchist topics sometimes. Other times he's up his own ass with youtube drama or whatever.
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HBomberguy - He's very good sometimes, but like Shaun I think he suffers from how the patreon model seems to reward longer and longer content. His longer videos aren't much deeper than his shorter ones, and they're very long. He tends to make very long videos about things I just don't care about, and if I wanted that I'd watch...
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Jenny Nicholson - The absolute best at being entertaining while spending an hour talking about something you do not care about. Not really breadtube but she's friends with half these people.
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The Killian Experience - If HBomb's video game stuff counts then I feel like this guy should too. He's very funny.
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Donoteat01 - Excellent, but never updates. The Well There's Your Problem podcast is great though, cohost Alice adds a lot.
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Mexie - Is good, but I don't really enjoy her content. I think that's on me and you should give her a try though.
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Beau of the fifth column - Is excellent, but very firmly targeted at someone who isn't me. Likely to be one of my go-to deradicalizing content creators now though.
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Some More News - Also good but not quite for me. Better version of Jon Oliver's show. Great thing to point libs at.
if Killian Experience counts as a breadtuber; then Internet Comment Etiquette is an excellent breadtuber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOlKxOTXyEGood idea to use Beau as a deradicalizing source. I was sad that Natalie took down her old videos because I could usually get someone to take the 15 minutes to start the process. Now her videos are relatively inaccessible both in tone and length, and it's much harder to persuade someone who doesn't eagerly want to learn more to actually watch them, though the content is different too, so they'd do less for de-radicalization as well.
Beau keeps super short, to the point, and has something for everything. I also think the tone and format are going to be more approachable for chuds who need reeducating, so it fills the hole quite nicely.
I was sad that Natalie took down her old videos because I could usually get someone to take the 15 minutes to start the process.
It'd be nice if she remade them in her current form.
Why do you think the patreon model encourages longer form content?
My understanding is that this trend is due to a change in the youtube recommendation algorithm that minmaxes for watch time.
Patreon on the other hand is either billed monthly or per video and as such if anything would favor shorter form videos released more frequently to maintain patron interest.
I don't really know the mechanics of it. The timing seems to be more in line with patreon becoming the dominant form of finance for youtube creators, rather than the algorithm change that focuses on long content (which was quite a while ago).
The algorithm also rewards steady uploads, which isn't what's happening at all. There are also several creators that have completely given up on youtube monetization because of DMCA hell.
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess that it mostly affects creators who actually want to publish longer videos with more time to research. Patreon is giving them the means to actually do this (good), but the subscribers need to feel like they're getting their money's worth if a video gets delayed for multiple months, which discourages editing it down to a shorter run length, because video length is far more visible than research quality.
I believe the timing has a shared root cause. Old youtube creator documents recommended regular uploads and this was the norm. A few years ago there were considerable drops in online advertising rates which caused youtube to make dramatic changes in it's algorithm and also lead creators to seek alternative forms of income.
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shaun and bomberguy other than that really just not interested in them at all, i enjoy long videos about studies and stuff, i used to enjoy philosophy tube when it was just olly talking about philosophy like old school with books not that into his new stuff but if he likes what he does now who cares right
Three Arrows is good too, often does more serious rebuttals of far-right propaganda. Their style is similar to Shuan.
https://www.youtube.com/c/ThreeArrows/videos
Favorites: Shaun. Skull man good.
Underrated: Jack Saint, pretty much the only one I still actively watch most videos of. He comments on pop culture and interprets them in really interesting ways and he’s got a great humor.
Also I miss when Contra and PhilosophyTube made video essays and not performance art
Hate-watch: Jimmy Dore - everything is fucked all the time, "comedy" is basically yelling and repeating the same joke over and over, then seguing to one of his friends to repeat the same joke, utterly boomer audience. Can't lie though, going to a live taping would be a hoot.
For how successful Chapo is, they have literally no presence on YouTube. Channels that repost their podcast episodes have more followers than the official Chapo account
i don't even listen to what he's saying i just like to hear him ramble at me
Since Hbomberguy is done with breadtube the only one really worth watching is Lindsay Ellis. She's like one of three good film theory YouTubers. The other bread tube people are far too masturbatory for my taste. So much ego so little content.
Done with breadtube? I saw he had some recent video game stuff, is that it now?
I haven't seen anyone mention BadEmpenada. His videos on latin america are very good, but his takes on China are awful and he spends way too much time on dumbass breadtube drama
