kind of funny given what a stink everyone made about forgiving student loans being an upper middle class subsidy that the climate provisions are very explicitly a subsidy on upper middle class homeowners.
“Biggest ever climate bill” ITS NOT A FUCKING CLIMATE BILL IF IT EXPANDS THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY
Like, they give 2 Million acres of land to oil companies for drill and call that climate bill, which Machin going to benefit. Like, this is just straight up lying, rebranding and scamming at this point. Just after they done scamming China about one China policy
It's technically a climate bill in that it's a bill that affects the climate
No tax credit for buying an ebike, because your climate change “solution,” only counts if it can kill a child.
Throwing subsidies on plant based proteins like our old friend :cool-bean: would probably do more to combat climate change than EV subsidies.
Just as a heads up for comrades in the States, there is already a 30% tax rebate on e-bikes.
They're classified as motorcycles in many jurisdictions which severely limits their usefulness.
Plus cyclists hate them and don't want them on their bicycle paths.
There are different classes of ebike, only some of which are (rightfully) treated more similar to MoPeds or Motorcycles.
Better bike infrastructure is the most important thing to keep people safe while riding.
I only hate ebikes when I get passed by an ebike user while going up a hill
It seems to all be tax credits for expensive cars and home upgrades. We're fighting climate change by giving more money to rich suburbanites lol
plant fucking trees! :monke-beepboop: PLANT FUCKING TREES PLANT FUCKING TREES
reportedly there is some nebulous renewables and public transit money in there to be embezzled into cop budgets & grifts though, PROGRESS! :yes-honey-left:
planting trees isn't enough - the act alone is carbon neutral in the long-run because the trees die and decompose, releasing the carbon back into the atmosphere. so you have to plant the trees then prevent their decomposition and do it at an accelerating rate to keep up with capitalism - would be a lot easier to leave the fossils in the ground and not burn them.
most tree species are giving decades-centuries of time between planting and decomp
yes, but that's kicking the can down the road and you still need to plant them at an ever-accelerating rate.
either get rid of capitalism or we all live in an endless mega forest, i like this plan.
look i get theres limitations to planting trees its just the cheapest most immediately impactful thing to be done and its gobsmacking the west cant even organise a big campaign for it. capitalists really do be accelerationists
I'm saying that any plan that doesn't involve getting rid of capitalism still kills us. it's not enough to replant the trees, we need to restore the forests, with all their biodiversity. otherwise, these artificial carbon stores only work until they die and release the carbon back into the atmosphere. in order to be true carbon sinks -- the kind that created the coal we're burning in the first place -- the forest was well and truly trap the carbon that's emitted by the decomposition process. we know this happens in real forests and does not happen in artificial ones, because we only plant the trees.
Coal comes from trees that didn't decompose because the micro-organisms that decompose them now didn't exist. There's no going back.
To clarify, we would need to replant massive amounts of trees and then maintain that amount of trees indefinitely to keep the carbon captured. There's only so many trees you can plant.
Eventually some carbon from dead trees would be fixed as coal I suppose, but now you are talking thousands or millions of years.
Eventually some carbon from dead trees would be fixed as coal I suppose
can that even happen on any significant scale now that stuff's better at breaking down wood
We'd need to dump them into the ocean or something where they'd petrify. That would cause all sorts of untold knock on effects on the deep sea ecosystem though.
We also have that little issue with algae blooms disappearing and the main oxygen engines of the planet failing.
You can pyrolyse the wood into charcoal, which is porous and mostly biochemically stable, so if you put that in the soil it will increase (ionic) nutrient adsorption and water retention, assist lots of organisms, and remain in the soil as elemental carbon for centuries if not millennia.
Charcoal burns at a hotter temperature than wood. So, you can have a Combined Heat and Power stove/engine, or a combined heat/char, or a combined power/char. As long as you're planting more trees than you use for fuel, and putting some char into the soil, you're doing a net sequestration of carbon. It's not fast or flashy, but it does work very reliably.
yeah + in well-established forests, the CO2 that's emitted ends up captured again by the plants growing in it. when the capitalists plant forests, they only plant the trees so it takes a while before the rest of the biodiversity is restored to the artificial forests and the same effect takes hold. we don't need to plant trees; we need to replant the forests. and that means restoring the plant AND animal life that used to live in them. unbalanced and artificial ecosystems just create new problems if they cannot sustain themselves.
Wouldn’t we need to plant like 50 bazillion trees in the span of a decade to offset the co2?
If nothing else trees soak up some amount of energy that would otherwise bounce around and turn it in to more tree. And they're pretty.
The hardest part in planting trees isn't getting the trees or planting them, it's telling landowners to fuck off so you have the place to put them.
they really need to change the way they subsidize energy conservation in homes, because a whole fuckload of people do not own their own homes and landlords do not give a fuck about their renters' heating bills.
the obvious solution is maoist insurrection against landlords, but short of that that system should punish landlords who do not make these upgrades as reported by tenants. forced rent reductions, eviction protections, make it hurt. make them squeal. roast and eat them in the ashes of their banks.
Seem like he forgot to mention all the shite on the bill to get Sinema and Manchin on board. But it is what it is, a bill that has been gutted down so much, that somehow it ended up worse, like money laundering scam
Only a universal cap was scrapped, there's still a cap for people on medicare, if I recall correctly.
Blocked the insulin cap for private insurance, not one for medicare.
Ooo, good! Now the IRS can go after working and middle class taxpayers for mistakes of hundreds of dollars, and fine them thousands! That's going to be great! Such a great profit to be made there.
You didn't think they were going to use the money to go after big corporations, did you? LOL
Def gonna reduce emissions on a large scale through tax credits on consumer goods
Also I didn't have much of a dog in the gas vs electric stove wars, until I found out that electric stoves don't work great with moka pots. You'll take my moka pot coffee from my cold dead hands (cause of death will probably be a heart attack because that shit is about as strong as espresso and comes in drip coffee quantities, how am I still alive).
How would it "not work great" you're just heating a metal vessel to make steam inside Im pretty sure electricity can do that
Depending on the type of electric stove the sensor might not recognize the pot because it's too small.
Had an infrared electric flat stove that didn't turn on if it didn't detect a pan on it. I think induction stoves can also be picky about pan detection.
Being able to turn off safety features would fix this
Had an infrared electric flat stove that didn’t turn on if it didn’t detect a pan on it. I think induction stoves can also be picky about pan detection.
that's e z tho just put a pan on it, and put the moka pot on the pan 😎
Gas = instant blowtorch heat
Electric = takes a while. may refuse to turn on. doesn't do high heat, which is essential for stir frying.
You’ll take my moka pot coffee from my cold dead hands
U guys are all genuinely weird. Just use a fkn' $25 mr. coffee drip machine like I do.
it makes too much coffee for me and my partner. Moka Pots produce just the right amount so there's none of that nasty hyperacidic 2-day-old coffee that I have to chug before it gets moldy. Plus Moka pots last forever and are only $25 more than the drip machine. Also the coffee just tastes better.
But you can vary how much coffee you make using a standard drip-pot by just not using as much water/coffee grounds tho. 👀
Also the coffee just tastes better.
Ok :shrug-outta-hecks:
smh at this decadence. Just drink generic instant coffee like me
I’ve been using a bialetti with an electric stovetop multiple times per day for years without a problem.
Factually incorrect, I have an electric stove and the Moka pot gets plenty of use. Induction stoves won't work, though.
unfortunately I think that would end up being more like a Chang and Eng Bunker type situation
Fun fact: If the power goes out your electric range doesn't work.
Which is why I now have a propane camp stove.
I expected a minimum corporate tax to be discussed more on Twitter but I didn to see much mention of it. It's a min tax based on the income reported to shareholders so it excludes deductibles and credits and that kind of thing
31-44% reduction seems higher than I would've expected, but I guess the baseline reduction is higher than I expected.
I'll believe it when I see it. We've done nothing but accelerate in the 21st century so far.
Yeah, in case it isn't clear I'm really skeptical of the baseline reduction. And assuming that the methodology is similar between baseline and the added reduction from the subsidies in this bill, then those numbers are questionable too.
CO2 emissions peaked in like 2007 in the US . They've been declining each year, but not nearly enough.
Yeah. '05 was the peak, we've been going down a little bit over time.
