Pay attention to Dr. Roy. He just comes out and says it. Just right out and says they should murder undesirable children. Jesus fucking christ.
MAiD is also gonna be the suicide booth from Futurama as more and more people can't meet their basic needs under capitalism.
Now I think the ideal scenario is we overhaul the system but that isn't happening. So what's better having an easy out or futilely struggling to reach the same end point?
I'm not going to blame anyone who chooses to die, but like this is objectively fucked. Life under capitalism. Typical Canada, finding a nice, polite, official way to murder the poor without all the mess and fuss.
With this and the whole Amazon fiasco, I might see capitalism just embracing suicide as another market they can swoop into.
My grandfather (who sadly passed about a month ago) spent his last few days begging for maid. He ended up dying before the process really kicked off, so it doesn't really even work that well in it's intended purpose.
I find this particularly enraging because I do support assisted suicide. People have the right to full control of their body, including ending their life if they so choose. I know this program has helped many, many people who have reached a point where they do not feel their quality of life is sufficient and wish to die.
But it becomes the "Those who walk away from Omelas" problem. I can't support this program, which I know is helping people who desperately need and deserve help, when it's also being used by the state as an instrument of social murder turned against the most vulnerable people in society.
I have chronic pain and this just sounds like eugenics by capital.
Especially that case where a person applied for assisted suicide because they couldn't find a living space that accommodated all their allergies. The solution is obviously to provide them a living space that does accomodate their allergies, not to die.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivities-chose-medically-assisted-death-after-failed-bid-to-get-better-housing-1.5860579
This literally reads like the future fascists want.
Yes, that's the exact type of edge case I was talking about in my comment. Acting like that's the norm for MAiD is manipulative.
You can't really run an assisted suicide program that regularly produces oopsies, that's just eugenics
Oh, well if it's an "edge case" I'm sure everything is fine then.
"Collateral damage" they said.
Fuck off.
assisted suicide is cool when it's not about material conditions.
get rid of landlords, provide people with enough food to eat and some treats, and see how many of us still want to die.
You can't just get MAiD in Canada because you're poor, you have to have an irreversible and advanced stage serious disease and be experiencing "unbearable mental suffering".
Poverty, disability and unbearable mental suffering go hand in hand mate. It's why so many of the victims of the UK's austerity (social murder) policies were disabled.
:downbear:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-disabilities-nears-medically-assisted-death-after-futile-bid-for-affordable-housing-1.5882202
I assure you that you do not. And they are opening it up to people with mental health problems and children with mental health problems soon.
Look, I'm not against assisted suicide. I think it's helpful and gives people the ability to control their own fate with dignity.
But Canada is creating a situation where people feel they have no choice but to kill themselves because Canada doesn't provide sufficient disability benefits for disabled people to afford to live.
Like on it's own? Assisted suicide? Great idea. Totally support it.
But it's being used as a tool of social murder, and as this guy shows it's escalating.
But it’s being used as a tool of social murder, and as this guy shows it’s escalating.
Yeah I mean this doesn't show that at all. Some children are born with hideous and painful conditions and will not live more than a couple of years in their condition. It's not evil to consider euthanasia at that point, I'd argue it's evil to insist that there's not allowed to even be a conversation that even considers an alternative to the child living every possible day in agony. This isn't a conversation about SES. I'm not saying a decision is obvious in either direction, both are not great, but to suggest that a person is a Nazi because they have an opinion on this complex topic contrary to yours is just weak.
And I live in Canada btw. A lot of the anti-MAiD shit is stirred up by the religious right who are pushing on all fronts opposition to it. If you don't live in Canada and know about a weird edge case from there, you may want to consider who was paid to dig it up and put it on blast.
It’s not evil to consider euthanasia at that point
In principle you're right.
In practice they always start murdering "undesirables".
In a perfect world we could discuss whether it's appropriate to consider euthanasia on compassionate grounds. But this isn't that world. It always turns in to murder. Every time.
And this isn't edge cases. This is people who either can't afford palliative care, or live in regions where palliative care options simply don't exist. This is disabled people whose disability benefits aren't enough to afford housing. They're going to expand it to kids and mentally ill people next year and... That's going to lead to problems. really, really bad problems. Because doctors don't value the lives of mentally ill people. They don't give a shit. They think we're a drag on society.
I'm aware that Catholic freaks are in opposition to this. Their weird religious objections don't invalidate the clear concerns about a Canadian healthcare system and Canadian disability welfare system that is failing many Canadians. There also is, and has been, a great deal of concern from disability advocates who know exactly how little society values disabled people, and understand the historical precedents for these kinds of programs and the horrific abuses that have occurred.
In a perfect world we could discuss whether it’s appropriate to consider euthanasia on compassionate grounds. But this isn’t that world. It always turns in to murder. Every time
We have to deal with the idea that people are still going to live in pain in the years, generations, possible centuries before the revolution. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be working to ruduce suffering under these conditions.
This is people who either can’t afford palliative care, or live in regions where palliative care options simply don’t exist. This is disabled people whose disability benefits aren’t enough to afford housing.
It very much, 100% isn't. You can't just apply for MAiD in Canada because you can't afford rent. Or rather, you can apply but you won't get it.edit: I misread your comment. I see what you mean. Yes, I think that is a valid criticism as well, as I mentioned earlier I'm not against those criticisms.They’re going to expand it to kids and mentally ill people next year
You must understand that it's also really bad to say you have to live your entire life in agonizing pain because of your anxiety condition. Like excluding people with mental illness from those procedure may be more cruel than including them. Similar with youth. These aren't easy decisions, but what we're really doing but passing these laws is just allowing the conversations between the individual, family members and physician to happen with that option on the table if they think it's appropriate. Kind of similar to how permitting abortion just allows women to have the conversation with their doctor, and make the best decision for them.
When reading about for example, a man with a neurodegenerative condition who is forced to choose between a home care agency that fed him rotten food and treated him carelessly when transporting his body leading to him getting hurt, or paying 2000 dollars a day for a hospital stay(because the hospital has decided that the home care agency is an adequate long term treatment plan", or just straight up killing himself(something he has recorded hospital staff suggesting to his face), I am not overly concerned if his story is being lifted by the religious right, sorry.
It's one thing when there's proper consent and the person actually wants to die do to something that literally nothing can be done to help, personally Imp all for a person having the right to end their life on their terms and refusing them that is often just a cruel way to control them and deny them autonomy. But (and this is a very important but), under capitalism these systems will always end up devaluing human life to the degree that it calculates murdering poor people as more economically effective than paying for social systems that would make their lives better. They're out there offering poor homeless people this option instead of getting them a home and psychological care from the trauma of living on the street and its fucking sick.
They’re out there offering poor homeless people this option instead of getting them a home and psychological care from the trauma of living on the street
Fucking citations needed lmao
This is who I was referring to: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/10/uaat-m10.html
Shes not homeless, I misremembered that part, but she's in a situation where living in her current place is making her life unlivable and shes been refused suitable housing
Yes, that is the exact edge case I was talking about in my original comment. Criticisms towards preventing this sort of situation are perfectly valid.
Ok, so do you think that a capitalist government will do proper oversight and rectify these sorts of situations in any meaningful way? Because Im fairly certain they wont be doing anything close to enough.
Thats the main criticism here, that its a capitalist government overseeing the application of assisted suicide, not that people should be forced to live against their will.
Apparently the Conservatives in Canada just blocked a bill that would address some problems with disability benefits. I forget if it was at the national or provincial level. But the idea that the state would intervene meaningfully to address the needs of people with serious disabilities who need extensive supports is farcical.
"Leftists get really weird and moralistic about [Staple Policy of Fascist Societies].
It is actually an extremely simple issue, especially for me; as I am precisely the kind of person who would be affected by them.
Some people live their entire lives in excruciating pain with no hope of reprieve besides being doped out of their minds. Letting them have an option to kill themselves is merciful.
This is reasonable in situations where their problems are unsolvable by modern science, but pretending that MAID doesn't have the potential to be misused and abused by fascists and bigots is just as absurdist when we've already seen it being used that way.
If providing housing that wasn't contaminated by cigarette smoke was apparently too costly for the Canadian society, what do you think is gonna happen when they run the finances on killing off everyone on disability?
Yeah but what the OP posted is about is the devaluation of the lives of disabled children, who simply can't make an informed choice to end their lives, because they're children. The tweet thread starts off with the story of a father who
spoiler
Killed his kid when there was a chance that further surgeries could have eased her pain, when those surgeries were free. He was lionized for killing his kid.
I agree that people should be able to choose a death that isn't painful, but expanding MAID to kids doesn't do that, and I think leftists absolutely should have a problem with a government that is more willing to kill you than it is to materially help you.
What the fuck
Like yeah eutanasia under "no disability pension/help unless near homelessness" was gonna be bad but WHAT THE FUCK
CHILDREN CAN'T CONSENT why do we have to repeat it so much
:shrek-pixel-despair: I have no other way to discuss this with words or else I may be confused for implying what some would possibly misconstrue as desiring fucked up shit be done to these ghouls
One poor parent in the comments talking about their experiences:
I can't overemphasize the degree to which my then 2.5 y.o. child was marked as expendable upon her ASD dx in Ontario. It was like a switch had flipped, makes me understand why some parents try to hide it if they can. It's like a target on their back. Now we see how big a target
This is literally fascism, hiding your disabled kids from the authorities because the authorities would rather have your kid dead
Every time an article comes out about this they talk about how terminally ill people feel pressured to take MAiD because the resources for humane palliative care just don't exist. Poor people who can't afford or just can't get access to real palliative care are getting a choice between suicide or living in agony until their body gives out. There's like several different axes on which this is fucked.
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/06/07/medically-assisted-dying-canada-disability-243049
Yeah just read this. Shocking. Can't they get this women a specialist or pay for her care so she can get the spine surgery she desperately needs?
Reposting my comment from the mega about a related twitter thread.
Found a truly harrowing thread about the origins of medically assisted death in Canada.
CW: Severe ableism and murder, also one time mention of rape
TL;DR: A father decides to murder his daughter, Klanada responds by turning him into a tragic hero figure, followed by other parents murdering their children for having disabilities and receiving sympathy and support for it.
In the thread you find one of the founding members and spokesperson of MAiD lobbying group "Dying with Dignity", offering sympathy and support for the "suffering" of the father who straight up murdered his own child, and talking about him "receiving justice", not as in going to fucking jail for murder, but for "suffering" with having a disabled child.
Jesus Christ.
Nice to know the people that founded this would've supported my parents murdering me.
Remind me to never go to Canada if I somehow get the opportunity.
MAID is evil. Just an excuse for rulers to not provide for the most vulnerable.
I knew that I already would not like this kind of thing when I first heard of it from the "We Live in Hell" Guy; and also I have to say his take is extremely fucking stupid on it.
He has a couple alright essays like his one about the protestant work ethic, but yeah, this one, I did not care for at all.
Kkkrakas really playing the hits lately huh. Eugenics is back on the menu.
It isn't fucking euthanasia if the person dying doesn't consent, it's fucking murder
