stopping transmission: good, he says
when someone does things to stop transmission: EBIL AUTHORITARIOOO :wojak-nooo:
I had someone today talk to me about this, that vaccines don't do anything to stop transmission. Maybe getting a vaccine to stop the disease from being so severe stops lethality because you get over the disease more quickly? Maybe you have less time to transmit covid if your antibodies take care of it in... I don't have the data, say 3 days instead of 2 weeks? Doesn't that mean less transmission inherently if less people have covid for long periods of time?
One of my best friends has a brother like this. It's his youngest brother too, so I remember seeing him as this kid growing up into a man and then bam he just fell off the edge and went full into Trump, full into conspiracy, full into covid denialism. The only thing I don't know is if he is into Q. I don't want to know. It's sad for me I can't imagine how it makes my buddy feel.
They said it would stop transmission
They lied
To be completely fair, Joe Biden did lie about this on national television and his "return to normalizing mass slaughter" plan gives a blanket reason to distrust government authorities.
I take it your brother isn't a doctor lol your brother is a dumbass
I know a few antivaxxers irl and they are all like this. Incorrect information, no medical training. It's very frustrating
He used to smoke and drink heavily and he is like WHY DOES MY HEART HURT AT 30. bruh grow the fuck up.
Tbh even if there are rare adverse events due to the vaccine (idk If there are, but probably nothing life threatening), it's still worth it because the good outweighs the bad on the whole.
There are, and they can be pretty bad in the short term. There's evidence to suggest that the vaccines can cause heart inflammation, particularly in young men. That's not exactly ideal and can require medical intervention.
But uh.... So does Covid lmao. It does the exact same but worse while simultaneously fucking with your lungs, your brain, the rest of your cardiac system, maybe your bowels? And so on and so forth.
These people cling to a tiny nugget of truth to justify a heaping mountain of bullshit. The vaccines are and always have been a cost vs benefits situation. The risks and downsides of the vaccine are FAR outweighed by the risks and downsides of Covid. Even funnier that they appeal to 'longterm effects' from the vaccine while apparently flatly ignoring the well documented and horrific reality that is long covid.
If it weren't so stupid and horrific, it would be funny how these anti-vaxers appropriate actual medical language and reality to fit their own goals. They all were insisting that vaccinated people aren't safe to be around because they can "shed" the vaccine.... Which is actually true if the virus, but not vaccines lol. Similarly they emphasize unknown long term side effects of vaccines while ignoring known long term downsides to Covid AND OTHER VIRAL INFECTIONS. Like, they hype up the fear of the unknown while ignoring the very VERY well known and miserable post-infection problems of viruses.
Gives me a pit in my stomach to think about how such terrible misinformation has killed and disabled so many (and maybe even me! Hooray!)
inform him that 1) covid actually has a higher mortality rate than polio 2) viruses, like polio, can have long term side effects i.e. post-polio syndrome and the potential for such from covid is literally unknown, 3) repeated infections from a poorly understood virus that affects literally every organ system (most of the body has ACE2 receptors) is much more "fucking with your immune system" than taking a vaccine is, 4) ask him how he thinks his heart will be doing if repeated covid infections result in clotting throughout the body and the destruction of small blood vessels (like the ones that feed the heart)
on 3) nobody fucking cares. I had the same argument with a friend of my wife, who claimed all of these kids dropping dead from myocarditis and clots after the vaccine but i told her - funny covid causes heart failure AND clots that turns your blood vessels into spaghetti so what the fuck gives. And she was like "buh buh the medical examiner in florida said it was the vaccine".
Medical examiners in Florida aren't required to be physicians, medical examiners are only more credible than coroners because coroners could legit just be a former gas station clerk elected because they have a walk in freezer. The entire death examination system in the US is fucking borked
I get you I should become a Florida coroner and just write murdered by police on every death reccord without even checking how they died
"it was cancer" "Those sick bastards"
I just told you I refuse to look at the bodies as I cannot be bothered
"Murdered"
"They died at the age of 79 from lung cancer"
"Okay, murdered by the fossil fuel industry"
I mean it'll work until you get found dead with two bullet holes and are ruled a suicide by the next bumfuck coroner that's brought in
It's completel pants on head bonkers that coroners and medical examiners in most of the US are elected positions with no medical qualifications required.
And, like, obviously, you can easily cover up goddamn near anything if you're already going on the opinion of some weirdo off the street as to how someone died. Let's see, burn marks, rope marks around the neck, three bullets in the back of the head? He's black so it's probably suicide, that's what I'm putting on the report.
fun fact, I learned about the lack of standards when the Uvalde Coroner was called into the mass shooting and he had to get help from the Medical Examiner in San Antonio because that city does have a medical license as a requirement.
Because there is no local medical examiner's office, the Justice of the Peace regularly steps in as the county coroner, in addition to presiding over misdemeanor court cases, small civil disputes, and marriage ceremonies. The case was so grisly, and so unlike anything he'd ever had to face, that it required extra help from the Bexar County Medical Examiner in San Antonio.
It's just so funny that I operate on knowledge gained from reading about incredibly traumatic and factual information - such as "coroners and medical examiners often do not require medical expertise..ask me how I know" and everyone else is just OPERATING ON FUCKING VIBES MAN
What even funnier is that the reason for coroners not requiring medical licenses in most rural areas and even in certain urban areas is that MDs would legitimately get paid better doing anything else, literally even the lowest paying specialties in medicine pay more than being a fucking coroner.
point 3 is the big hitter, it's insane to me that nobody considers long term side effects of covid in these conversations
I'm pretty sure 99% of people have no idea how viruses/the immune system function at even a basic high school biology level, and I'm pretty sure that includes 99% of actual doctors and nurses at this point based on the attitudes I've seen.
I have been to a real, licensed doctor's office that had a Jesus Guiding the Surgeon print framed in a subwait area. The last hospital I spent time in had Joel Osteen on the waiting area TVs and mostly antimask nurses.
The US medical system is the worst value in the world and it's getting rapidly worse
TBF that painting is fucking hilarious. I love all the memes, too.
"BRO wtf don't take that out! I just put that tumor in there!"
It is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious
But try not looking at it a bunch and snickering while you wait for ages. Difficulty: impossible
The long term effects we already know about are horrifying, and I'm starting to see people on twitter posting studies that say it's cumulative.
Looks like my "when dealing with a newly emergent disease under terminal-stage capitalism, always assume the most nightmarish biological and political outcomes" strategy of risk assessment is racking up more wins. Kind of a mouthful though, needs a name. Dietrick's Razor?
A highly virulent virus that can evade immunity and damage any part of the body with ACE2 receptors is bad and will absolutely accumulate damage. Every time you get infected it's roll of the dice as to how much damage it does before your immune system can stop it. Hopefully with vaccines and antivirals that damage is insignificant.
I could straight up hear the "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL" voice as soon as China came up, it's fucking wild how obviously the things he said after that have been surgically inserted into his personality like fascist bone graft.
What's your brothers number* I wanna dunk on him
(*don't actually give that shit)
Just so we’re all clear while the vaccines don’t totally prevent transmission they do reduce it!!! If for no other reason than sick people have more virus in them to spread than not sick people. It’s one of the many benefits of getting fucking vaccinated.
Still wear a mask.
When he says "because they're communist fucks" he is also probably saying that he thinks that about you.
He played Fallout 3 and New Vegas. It became his entire personality
says you should care about your kids
says Chinese people should value a nebulous conception of "fReEdOm" over millions of dead kids
Sorry if i sound like an asshole in the text - it's like the fifth time we've had this conversation.
i think you should have been more of an asshole, personally
You could dial up the asshole by 150% and still be completely justified, my anomalously patient comrade.
no you'd be entirely justified in doing far more, up to and including murder
Shit sucks. My brother is a white nationalist so I empathize with dealing with familial brain worms
Honestly just sad since there are many chuds who started into their descent through sheer and (completely founded) mistrust of the government. This exchange is somewhat reflective of that. Biden did "fuck up" in communicating the pandemic and containing it, as anything more than half-assing the pandemic response would be too much for our bougie overlords. Doesn't excuse it but it really is sobering how pervasive this is.
If not said outright, certainly implied. The beginning of the lockdown was presented to us as this big united front akin to a war that we would get through no matter how long it took to get a vaccine (with the scientists saying it would take 2 possibly 3 years done properly) and that covid was going to be eradicated and within a matter of weeks the consent manufacturing machine was totally revved up and the goal posts kept getting moved and restrictions undone and just fucking shit, bleagh. I'm in Florida and I've just been watching the rest of the country doing what we were doing on a delay and I am thoroughly :marx-joker:
DIRCDC Walensky states:
And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We're vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real world data.
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442 (they use backticks for
'for some reason so Ctrl+F"WALENSKY: First of all, I just want to note that I share this optimism")Apparently the intellectually honest thing to say would be "all these things reduce transmission but don't totally", but that is apparently even less effective than saying "stops". so idk
ok did they ever actually say it would stop transmission though?
they definitely dangled the "carrot" of dropping mask mandates for vaccinated people. Which was counter productive.
ok did they ever actually say it would stop transmission though?
I don't think the CDC said anything but President Biden said it at least once.
