yup, struggle session time

edit: no one is right, everyone is wrong :^)

edit 2: this post is actually dedicated to Amy Goodman, please stop trying to sound cool grandma

    • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
      6·
      4 years ago

      It's different when it comes to the country since it's, you know, a country. But if you want to call it that way to own the "woke" queers and people that don't fit the forced binaries in Latin America because you're a Smart, Good Leftist, go ahead.

        • gay [any]
          8·
          4 years ago

          I identify as Attack Helicopter, did you just assume my gender. Accross all languages, one joke.

            • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
              3·
              4 years ago

              "If I make a joke about how ridiculous it's that gender neutral people try to be included in a non-gender neutral language, I get one step closer to True Leftism"

            • gay [any]
              5·
              4 years ago

              Never said that you hate trans people. Just that it's the same joke.

                • gay [any]
                  2·
                  4 years ago

                  Yeah it is. People mock the use of e/x in that exact way all the time. "It's ridiculous, look at me using it wrong on purpose": Chicxs, mx fux x mx casx y prendx mx computadorx....

                    • gay [any]
                      1·
                      4 years ago

                      No? It's all of this together that makes it the same joke:

                      *Méxicx

                      *ignorantx

                      pendejx

                      You finally got it right

                      *retrógradx

                      That is not mocking "woke discourse" that is mocking gender neutral language as a concept.

                      • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
                        4·
                        4 years ago

                        The first was an actual joke. The others were me intentionally being an asshole by making the same joke.

                          • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                            2·
                            4 years ago

                            It's funny cus they think they're a Cool, Irreverent Leftist, who doesn't fall for liberal shit. Just conservative shit.

                            • gay [any]
                              ·
                              4 years ago

                              The misunderstanding seems to be that this a mostly US/liberal thing and that leftists don't speak this way. When in reality, in Latin American countries liberals would never speak like that. Only leftists and nonbinary people do. Stop giving Latine liberals so much credit.

                              • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                                ·
                                4 years ago

                                hahaha, like it's taking them until now in my country to half-heartedly try, but since when not knowing a damn thing about other peoples is enough to stop you from showing everyone how much of a Cool, Smart Leftist Who Sticks It To The Libs you are?

        • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
          ·
          4 years ago

          what does that have to do with anything? it's a commonly used cultural identifier, even if it was true.

            • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
              ·
              4 years ago

              ...women, nb and queer people don't have the right to try to change that commonly used cultural identifier? Says who?

              it’s important because you’re putting too much effort into fighting something that has never been a indigenous term, even amongst the criollos. ....damn, language then is off-limits then. When americans finally stopped using fggot openly and leaving it to those who were queer, it was a good thing we also took that to stop using the word pto openly as well. We live in very oppressive conservative environments, changing that is part of our work as leftists.

                • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  First off this is nowhere near calling someone a removed.

                  But you got to agree the defense against inclusive language they're using is the same old shit they did, they're doing with fggot=pto (B-but the language is sacred! It's so annoying I have to think before I talk! As True Leftists, we know Latins are racist, so we got to be racist to "win" them over!)

                  Mypoint is that they are imposing themselves over everyone else in a way that is not only questionable, but turning an easy victory into something that antagonizes people sensitive about these things

                  Oh god, you're in a leftist space. Almost everything we believe and want here would be "imposting things in latinamerica!!" in some way to the ways they currently are! You wouldn't have a problem discussing socialism to a latin, even if they're sensitive because of anti-communist propaganda, you shouldn't have a problem of trying to respect and promote inclusive language

                  because of gueros.

                  Not people in latin america fall into gendered language binaries. Not everything is all-powerful white people poisoning us, the innocent, dumb latins.

                  Just take the easy win and use latin.

                  And I like to think you're still reading after this point, cus I agree. I prefer latin instead of latino-latine-latin@ (tho I'm a bit impartial to this one, it's true some people have pronouns that don't end in o-a)-latinx. But I respect its use in the name of inclusion. If you believe spanish should be a more inclusive language, then we're on the same page. How to make it inclusive, is another issue entirely, but it's one that's better discussed and dealt with amongst queer-nb-women latin progressives and not whatever dumb anglo or socially conservative latin can come up with.

                    • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                      1·
                      4 years ago

                      the perfect example of a low effort cause that villifies a people for speaking in a way that is authentic.

                      ...bigotry is authentic? I think I'll pass with your "authenticity".

                      They’re sensative becaus gringos keep trying to force them to speak a certain way and back hom the elite tried to sanitize and europeanize their culture.

                      What the fuck. Why are you just parroting right wing talking points about the Libs Just Forcing Progressiveness Down Our Throats????

                      We really should look into more race stuff when it comes to latin america, yeah there’s no one drop rule but the inequalities and cultural hegemony are obvious.

                      ....are you american???

                      Performativity is not a real solution, it’s symbolism.

                      again, it's inclusive language. In here, we accept inclusive language. In latamerica, we're just trying to do the same. This is not hard to understand.