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At the top of the video description it says "Watch our video on The EVIL History of Fluoride now!" I'm going to go ahead and assume these are unserious people.
"why are these companies going out of their way to make a non meat product that looks tastes and smells like meat?"
Because meat tastes good, dumbfuck. I'm not watching more than that thirty seconds. I simply do not care that fake meat is bad for me or a woke globalist plot to eat bugs or whatever these fluoride guys think. It allows me to find some kind of protein entree at 50% of the restaurants my friends go to when before it would have been 10%. The inability to eat at restaurants is the most difficult thing about not eating flesh, and easing this is probably leading more people to become vegan or vegetarian.
“why are these companies going out of their way to make a non meat product that looks tastes and smells like meat?”
"Why are these video game companies going out of their way to make games that simulate killing but don't involve actually killing real people?"
Aren't these guys diehard capitalists? Shouldn't they at least be aware of supply and demand? Some people want to go vegan, and demand better substitutes for meat, and meat substitutes have existed for centuries.
Ganmodoki literally translates to pseudo-goose, and seiten was created by Buddhist monks as a meat alternative.
Well you see, when black rifle coffee or the transphobic chocolate company pop up, that's the free hand of the market. But when M&Ms makes the green candy less sexy, they're caving to the liberal mob / (((big government))) trying to take my hamburger and combustion engine. Go woke, go broke.
Ganmodoki looks nice, never had it.
Oh my god, the number of mudd-butt carnists who repeat that phrase "I just don't see why they have to eat things that try to be meat. Why don't they just eat vegetables". It's the easiest thing in the world to disarm them. As you said "Because meat tastes good, I didn't stop eating it because I didn't like how it tastes, maybe if your brain wasn't starved of oxygen from all the beef-tallow clogging your arteries you'd be able to come to that conclusion yourself, you greasy-faced ham-dump".
Counterpoint: Plant based food is good actually and video’s opinion is incorrect and I am objectively correct.
All food is a scam. Ever notice how once you eat food, it's immediately gone (and even if you don't eat it, it usually goes bad after a while)? It's basically planned obsolescence. Big Food wants you to eat stuff and then you get hungry again and have to buy more food, it's a viscious cycle and they're laughing at you all the way to the bank.
this is true. i was just swindled earlier today. purchased a salad and it's already gone smh. Somehow it got turned into poop. Frickin poop! Who wants to buy poop???
That's how they get you. They show you this nice, fresh salad - looks great right? But what you gotta understand is that the salad will never be as valuable as the moment you buy it. If you eat it, it literally turns to shit. Your best bet at that point is to try to pawn it off on someone, but the secondhand food market is awful - a lot of people often won't even take it for free.
All industries aspire to the model established by stone age farmers.
There's gotta be a relevant Kelly comic.
Yeah I'm not watching this what exactly is the claim OOC? In what way are we being scammed?
Edit: Okay I watched 30 seconds and he calls beans "a pathetic pile of soybean meal" yeah I don't give a fuck what this dude says
Basically that there are a lot of extra chemicals they haven't tested, pesticides, and carcinogenic food dyes that end up in plant based meats.
But they're also largely full of shit on that.
"Haven't tested" refers to the critics' own incompetence at reading food safety reports where they try to characterize a soy isolate containing "other proteins" as untested. Beans are plants, they're full of other proteins. The report says that the isolated leghemoglobin has trace proteins from the beans from which they derive. We eat soybeans, that shit isn't untested, it's a whole food.
Pesticides: they referred to herbicides but it doesn't really matter because both apply to every single industrially produced plant. Has nothing to do with fake meat in particular. The backlash to glyphosate is characteristic of folks getting led around by their noses, as it's one of the least toxic herbicides regularly sprayed on plants. While we should be advocates for sustainable and regenerative and safer (particularly for ag workers) production of food, these particular callouts are absurd in their myopia.
Carcinogenic food dyes: an interesting thing about testing mutagenicity of a chemical (we are all made of chemicals, as are plants and other animals) is that they are basically all mutagenic, i.e. carcinogenic, at high enough concentrations. Every single food you eat contains chemicals that are mutagenic, even if you grew it yourself on pristine soil with no chemical additives, because the makeup of the plant itself (or animal) includes mutagenic chemicals. The real question is about how mutagenic, and at what concentrations, and what the exposure is. There is peroxide (mutagenic) in basically everything you eat, but generally at low concentrations where it doesn't matter. Drink purified peroxide regularly and we have a different story. I'm not finding much other than the always-misleading "natural flavors" ingredient to indicate that the additives mentioned in the video are in the fake burgers, but the video mentions caramel color so I'll describe that. It is... burnt sugar, largely indistinguishable from burning your own sugar, like when you cook a sauce with fruit or sugar in it. The difference is that it is chemically burned at pressure, and sometimes with chemical additives at very low levels. It has been widely tested and is not of particular concern. Don't chug 3 liters of the pure stuff every day and you should be fine.
The caveat to all of this is the existence of regulatory capture (bourgeois control of the state) and relying on a food additive company to noy fuck you over anyways. This is a risk we all take when eating any foods with additives, which is most of them at the grocery store. It also isn't exclusive to food additives. The produce, dairy, and meat sections all have the same problems of regulatory capture, lack of safety testing, and unsafe conditions for workers. This video tries to paint the consumption of animals as old and natural and safe, but animal products have basically all of the same problems and some of their own as well, like parasites.
Yep. There are a bunch of "food science" variants but a common one is using sulfuric acid and pressure to do it rather than just heat. The acid is washed out and it ends up being no different than doing something like caramelizing onions, chemically (actually the onions have more sulfates).
Glad that video has reliable sources like Joe Rogan and Russell Brand. Two heavyweight intellectuals that definitely don't just repeat the last nonsense they heard like it's fact.
Welcome to the 21st century, nothing is true unless a reactionary says so. All truth is a democracy now, and we just keep getting outvoted.
Shit video, and his top recommend is a video about flouride!? That's like one of the OG antisemitic conspiracies.
Sorry dude, but antisemitic conspiracies predate the fluoride one by a couple of centuries.
Yes but the “Jews poison drinking water” goes back to the middle ages
Also a Birch society operation to rail against government health spending too, isn't it?
The video certainly brings up good points but you could make the same video about practically any processed food that uses GMO ingredients. Basically any pre-made meal you buy is gonna be just as bad. Obviously fast food is even worse.
Honestly this is basically scaremongering people off of plant based products, which are still better for the environment then meat and at minimum cruelty free.
I agree with the concept of GMOs but as long as evil fuckers like Monsanto are controlling them I think it's perfectly reasonable b to be wary.
Sure but that goes for so many other things that calling out GMOs specifically just adds to the fear mongering around them.
Monsanto is bad for a ton of reasons but the GM crops they produce are good and useful and that’s why farmers use them. They increase yields and decrease pesticide use, which farmers like because more money and less labor but also we like because less pesticide use is good and also less CO2 emissions.
Flashy PlantBasedBeyondBurgerThatWillSuckYourDick(TM) is still marketed for fancy boys only, but texturized soy protein has been ridiculously cheap for decades.
soy chorizo is pretty good and cheap! I found it in the store and have wondered why I don't hear much talk about soy protein
I'm not saying they're worth the price or even great for the environment by themselves just that the video feels like a hit job.
Green capitalism is never gonna save planet.
Where can I get it? TSP and TVP are not available in any of the grocery stores within an hour drive of me, and it's like $10+ per pound on amazon
If you have like a dry bulk store around, that's probably the ticket. It shouldn't be even close to thar expensive, it usually cheap af.
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-885607436-soja-texturizada-chica-1kg-mitiendasana-_JM
One US dollar per kg, soak it in water and you have like 5 kg of fake "minced meat", being an agricultural colony in the global periphery has its benefits :thonk-cri:
Literally calling your supermarket "Free Market" :che-laugh: what level of capitalist realism is this?
Also there are tons of farmers near me that grow soy but all of it goes to animal feed or gets exported as high-end food products to Asia. I literally cannot buy soy products grown in my province anywhere I could reasonably walk, bike, or drive.
When I first stopped eating meat there were Boca and Garden burgers for ready made protein. Now there's at least a dozen options that I can freely recommend that I don't think taste like shit to people who are interested in eating less animals.
Have you tried making veggie burgers from scratch? Shit is like a two hour endeavor.
You can make ones with mushrooms in ~10 minutes but they don't have much protein.
It was usually attempts at making a large batch so I'd have something easy to prepare for the week.
what even counts as a burger
making a bean based patty takes like 10 minutes
spiced bean burgers are better than fake meat and fake meat has made it harder to get bean burgers at restaurants
In India you can get vegetarian stuff everywhere and it is generally good. Even in McDonald's, I prefer vegetarian options over non vegetarian ones.
True. I like fake meat but bean burgers are so much better than fake hamburger
Impossible and beyond patties are fantastic, but yes the real downside is that it's getting harder to find various other veggie patties. Black bean is great, I think I've had walnut based ones before. There was a really good one I'm forgetting now. Like going to an overpriced vegan place is a lot more worthwhile when you're there for something unique they've made instead of the stuff you can get at a grocery store.
literally everything is either made of poison, mixed with poison, or treated with poison
that's just life under capitalism baby. poison is cheap. (not that you'd know it from the fucking prices they charge for this shit)
So...it's made of cheap stuff thats bad for you? Shocking. I couldn't finish it because there was just wayyyy too much fluff
The only problem I have with plant-based meat is that is so damn expensive, at least where I live.
I've found that at the Vons near me about half of it is perpetually marked 50% off, it's pretty great.
I'm 5,588 miles away from the closest Vons, lmao. I don't live in the US, but perhaps another comrade could use that information.
Same. The meat free isle is always marked off. I have so much tempeh in the freezer because no one in my area knows what it is.
