“Let me be clear – any attempts to spread the oppression and poverty that Socialism always brings will be rebuffed by the people of Florida,” he added. “Travelers should be aware that attempts to spread Socialism in north Florida will fail and be met with laughter and mockery.”
"However, in much of Central and South Florida, the situation is far more dangerous for Socialists, as they may encounter people from Cuba, Venezuela, and other parts of Central and South America and the Caribbean who have direct knowledge of, and experience with, the horrors of Socialism.
America is a shithole lol the only reason it hasn't been declared a human rights crisis by the rest of the world yet is because of its military, its exportation of media propaganda and its history as the worlds greatest superpower. It's a crumbling wreck.
the only reason it hasn’t been declared a human rights crisis by the rest of the world
It has though. China, obviously, but the UN has issued a bunch of reports about conditions here. There's just nothing anyone can do about it.
before you finish that sentence a dozen hypersonic Donfeng missiles turn the floating city into a sinking city
"However, in much of Central and South Florida, the situation is far more dangerous for Socialists, as they may encounter people from Cuba, Venezuela, and other parts of Central and South America and the Caribbean who have direct knowledge of, and experience with, the horrors of Socialism.
Just tack up a "here there be gusanos" sign somewhere on southbound I-95
It's cool and funny that Castro took away your sugar plantation and freed your slaves :fidel-balling:
seeing as multiple veterans have threatened me, said I needed to get the sjw beaten out of me, and used graphic sexual language about what scary brown men were gonna do to me if they hadn't defended america (all in public, most in college classes ) yeah... I would agree
A lot of people are going to be angry about this, but not me. I'm just smiling quietly. This is yet another step along the long road to balkanization and an eventual second civil war. Murka's doing down, folks. It'll be a while, though. Another 20 years or so of this and it will be ready to break.
Wait for the tat to this tit, where California or New York issues a declaration that nazis are not welcome and will be met with open hostility and violence. Then that orange on a Florida license plate will be toxic and result in the drivers being pulled out and beaten up...and then a tit for that tat, and so on and so forth. This has happened before in many other countries and the script is being followed correctly.
California or New York issues a declaration that nazis are not welcome
can't see this happening because they are run by liberals. they will instead try to "engage them in civil debate"
I could see the declaration part because it's borderline meaningless and unenforceable—the liberal's favorite kind of "action." But not the "drivers being pulled out and beaten up" part, unless it's the reverse scenario where drivers from CA and NY being dragged out of their cars and beaten by these freaks in places like Florida or Texas.
Well I can certainly see drivers with Florida plates being roughed up, run off the road, keyed, etc. People are going to make sure they know they're not welcome.
Yeah, 20 years is an honest estimate. Can't see the States coming down anytime in the next 3 years but its encouraging how little i can predict. Compare that to 3 years ago - it felt like nothing would happen for at least a decade. Now there's a massive "cultural discomfort" in almost every capitalist social stratum, unionization and openly deranged righties are driving scores of people to the Left, and the idea of America functioning as one state is only getting harder to square w/ reality. No matter what we go through, and i'll avoid guessing, the idea of the United States enduring another half-century is genuinely absurd
i responded to the wrong comment, i was being florida specific.
Another 20 years or so of this and it will be ready to break.
20 years? I'm calling it at 5 years.
There's a lot of ruin in a country. It can burn for a long time before the load-bearing members start cracking. Venezuela took 15 years for the wheels to fall off. America is orders of magnitude larger and stronger. But we're going a lot faster than they ever did.
I say 5 because while history doesn't repeat exactly, it rhymes like Eminem.
Right now, I see the US as in the beginning of the Bleeding Kansas period. It took about 7 years from that period to get to civil war. I'm expecting 5 years. And as you said, we're going a lot faster. Faster than even past US history.
So, 5 years. Maybe even 3 years, since the 2024 US election will be a big turning point.
These states are Nazis? Big if true, literally
What kind of thinking is this?
Liberals are baby nazis and liberals ar ein thr cali and ny government, therefore they are nazis
So it wouldve been easier to just say liberals. We know what they are here already.
If you use that kind of logic chain to build an argument, it'll only restrict you by lumping categories together. Don't ignore that liberals and nazis get along too well, but hold it in your head that there's a difference.
I don't mind this. Their buildings are falling into the sea, their crops are failing and nobody can afford healthcare. If he wants to make it abundantly clear to people that their wretched conditions are the result of capitalism, so be it. Going forward, this should be brought up in the wake every stupid avoidable disaster that happens there. We've just been handed an evergreen dunk.
Has he seen Florida recently? Oppression and poverty.
may encounter people from Cuba, Venezuela, and other parts of Central and South America and the Caribbean who have direct knowledge of, and experience with, the horrors of
Socialism.American Sanctions and meddling.Oh that's right you all just took away many these refugees ability to survive :us-foreign-policy: .
"I saw on r/TIL that costa rica has no military. Sounds like some kinda pinko commie idea to me!"
Holy fuck I need to get the hell out of here
I know this doesn’t actually mean much but being told explicitly to your face “You are not safe here, we will harm you” is not fun
Communists (and liberals) seem convinced that a revolution is either nearly impossible here or very far off in the distant future. Fascists, on the other hand, seem to believe that a revolution is imminent?
As always, read Ur-Fascism. The enemy is at all times bother overwhelmingly strong and pathetically weak. This is right in line with fascist belief. They need a dangerous enemy to justify their fear and violence, while paradoxically positioning that enemy as weak and pathetic so they can feel powerful and dominant over them.
Very true. I guess I also want to believe that the broken clock is still right twice a day? I’m thinking of how Lenin said, like two months before the February Revolution, that a revolution might not take place in Russia for decades. I know our situation is completely different from 1916/1917 Russia but I also don’t recall a single person predicting the 2020 uprising. I was also just reading your takes on Minnesota by the way and really enjoying them. It seems like the only decent place to live in the USA and possibly where the revolution will begin (if it ever does…).
the leap from this burning dumpster to socialism makes it seem impossible but the leap from fascism to fascism is about as far as most fascists will move in a lifetime so they can already see their goals being implemented.
we don't see any socialism happening in america. we see shitloads of fascism.
Too late, my friends are already establishing a commune in North Florida.
Deal with it :screm-cool:
Is there a bunch of farm worker organizing going on or something?
This is because the NAACP formally said "Florida's dangerous for black people"
Florida has been a bastion of Black Capitalism for decades, with some of the largest communities of black-owned businesses and black home ownership in the country. One reason it does still occasionally flip blue, and why guys like Andrew Gillum can do bumps of cocaine to within 2-pts of the Governor's mansion, is because of the enormous concentration of inter-generational black wealth and community.
You can't just throw all that shit on your back, pick up, and leave. Black Floridians are stuck in the same position as Palestinians during the Nakbr or Iranians under the Shah. Surrender all your wealth to some white looters or fight a conflict you're doomed to lose in a place where there's nowhere to retreat.
At this point, are there ANY decent humans left in that place? Also, given the hatred that right wingers have for any type of immigrant, how many people from those countries can there really be in florida?
Edit: I've read through the replies to this and now I feel like an ass. I probably should've given it more thought before posting it, or maybe not have posted it at all. Sorry.
Yeah. Millions of them. They're poor and have been systematically excluded from political and economic power. There are 21 million people in Florida. About 11 million of them voted, and 48% of those who voted voted for Biden. The Fascists have control over the instruments of government, but that hold is not necessarily represented in the population. This stupid fucking "Democracy" means that with a little voter suppression they can have "legitimate" power without having any kind of real majority. Most of the fascist states are like that - Fairly narrow majorities among the voting population, and who knows what the non-voting population thinks. But for the most part they're all poor and systematically shut out from power. They're disorganized, they're demoralized, they're working two or three jobs to maybe make rent.
Maybe it'll be like one of those situations where one party makes a wild statement and then the exact opposite thing happens?
:frothingfash: 'Socialism isn't allowed here!'
:based-department: <socialist come out of the woodwork>
Jeff Vandermeer, sci-fi novelist, demsoc shitposter, and self-appointed guardian of indigenous flora and fauna of the greater Tallahassee area?
Although I could easily see him sending his family to safety while he stays behind to keep the birdfeeders filled. He lives in a rural compound surrounded by trailcams; I'll bet he secretly owns lots of guns.
i left over 15 years ago. left everybody i knew behind and started all over. admittedly, it is hard to move for poor people with dependents. i understand and empathize. but they should also accept, it's never going to get easier either. there are absolutely people with the means to move who aren't moving. they want to, but they aren't materially impacted yet, so it's just a thought experiment. i know people in this category and they are fools. remember, florida is not chicago or new york or other states in the deep south. it's not a place to fight over. it WILL be devastated by climate change. it is a sandbar with some vegetation on it that has only been above sea level for the blink of an eye. it's already malarial. west nile. zika. dengue. those are only going to get worse. the infrastructure is already under strain from hurricanes/flooding. there is nothing to fight over except the capacity to retreat with your allies and create pathways for others to evacuate now.
the people with the means to move are assuming there's going to be some kind of final moment where it becomes obvious and unavoidable that each day going by is an increasingly loaded dice roll for their personal safety and freedom of movement. right now there are no checkpoints on the roads out of florida. these people aren't imagining there ever will be. there are no militias sweeping through rural communities, stopping and checking cars for "criminals" or whatever term they'll use. these people aren't imagining there ever will be. there is a pipeline funneling people into the carceral system and for every person in it, there are loved ones who feel compelled to stay nearby. all it takes is someone you love getting swept into that system, and now you're probably not gonna leave either.
all of this makes one wonder, if the people with the means to leave are going to eventually get out... who exactly are they selling their property to? will anyone be buying it? will the state, at the behest of the housing market, put a freeze (or slow roll) on people quick selling to prop up the housing market once federal flood insurance stops underwriting coastal developments? what financial institutions will be offering traditional financing for a 30 year loan on a home in florida during an unending state of emergency?
when it comes "when should i leave florida", the advice is the same as "when should i plant an oak tree?"
the answer is "20 years ago". and if you didn't, then start today. mass evacuation and displacement is not something you want to wait for everybody else on. quite the opposite. if you can get yourself established elsewhere, you can help others move. a place to sleep, or even just park in front of. a secure place to leave their stuff and take a shower while they figure out their next steps.as i said before: it is not going to get easier.
if the people with the means to leave are going to eventually get out… who exactly are they selling their property to?
Aquaman?Chuds from blue states who see what's happening in Florida and want to get involved?
Its more the other way around. Equating violence against minorities as violence against communists, in order to find another way to continually justify it to their audience.
