Im joining in on the reddit ditching thing, and was kinda worried at first that i wouldnt be able to like use it the way i did reddit as it feels like a whole new place, but after engaging with posts and people and actually being a part of lemmy rather than being lurk mode all the time i was pleasantly surprised with how easy it is to become a member of the community, theres a reasonable amount of subs (or whatever the other word for em is) that fit my interests, enough linux content and shitposting for my liking, and the overall random posts made by people equally fed up with Leddit. (also i admit i used reddit a little cus there was this post on the fedora sub showing how to fix a sound issue i been having after a recent update)
It's in several spots, people basically saying "I've had a solid time except for all these nasty russian bots that we will soon outnumber!"
No way an American disagrees with you, or anyone else of an Approved Nationality! No, it must be a pesky ruskie who managed to reach a computer despite not having any paved roads!
fighting libs online is really annoying and pointless though. They don't argue in good faith, nor do they change their minds. Plus there are more of them than us, frankly. It'll just make everything worse.
Yeah definitely. When this site first started up, some two years after I joined the sub and started moving left, I still hadn't yet fully let go of belief in US propaganda about Uighurs in China. But I lurked in the arguments on the subject here, and eventually I came around. (I'm still fuzzy on the details of the DPRK, but at this point I don't believe anything the Western media says about foreign adversaries, so I've come around there too.) And as a result, I'm proud to say that my Ukraine takes would get me labeled a "Russian shill" by these shitlibs.
This. you're not arguing for the benefit of the person you're "Debating". You're trying to make them look like an idiot in front of the audience, so that the audience will be embarassed to be associated with them and will instead decide that you are much cooler and better looking and as such your politics must be superior.
In 2019 I was considering :vote:-ing for Elizabeth Warren. When I got here I believed just about everything the imperialist media said was real. This place moved me left, as did r/chapotraphouse. We can do it again, and there's no ban coming for us on Lemmy.
The rest of your statement is true but our sheer posting power is not to be scoffed at. We were targeted on Reddit partly because we were overwhelmingly one of the most active subreddits in the whole shit heap. And people are saying that we post considerably more than all the rest of Lemmy combined. I think we can take them.
I think that posting just to trigger the libs can be fun as long as it is just a side-project and you don't make it into an ideology or part of your identity. You just need to assume that they aren't stupid and are instead arguing in bad faith. And you aren't really arguing to change their mind, instead you are arguing to change the mind of a random reader.
I saw multiple people get username-mention pinged into a thread to get dunked on only to end up sticking around and becoming progressively more ardent leftists over the years.
im beginning to think this federation idea might not be all its cracked up to be
we would get to bully libs like in the reddit days, plus we get to banned them if they act out of line here. i see it as a win-win honestly
fighting libs online is really annoying and pointless though. They don't argue in good faith, nor do they change their minds. Plus there are more of them than us, frankly. It'll just make everything worse.
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There is a lib inside all of us my friend
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sure but do people change their minds through arguing online or through experience?
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:this:
This is how my mind was changed, by watching arguments in the comments with good sources backing them up.
Yeah definitely. When this site first started up, some two years after I joined the sub and started moving left, I still hadn't yet fully let go of belief in US propaganda about Uighurs in China. But I lurked in the arguments on the subject here, and eventually I came around. (I'm still fuzzy on the details of the DPRK, but at this point I don't believe anything the Western media says about foreign adversaries, so I've come around there too.) And as a result, I'm proud to say that my Ukraine takes would get me labeled a "Russian shill" by these shitlibs.
This. you're not arguing for the benefit of the person you're "Debating". You're trying to make them look like an idiot in front of the audience, so that the audience will be embarassed to be associated with them and will instead decide that you are much cooler and better looking and as such your politics must be superior.
posting... might be praxis?
In 2019 I was considering :vote:-ing for Elizabeth Warren. When I got here I believed just about everything the imperialist media said was real. This place moved me left, as did r/chapotraphouse. We can do it again, and there's no ban coming for us on Lemmy.
The rest of your statement is true but our sheer posting power is not to be scoffed at. We were targeted on Reddit partly because we were overwhelmingly one of the most active subreddits in the whole shit heap. And people are saying that we post considerably more than all the rest of Lemmy combined. I think we can take them.
I think that posting just to trigger the libs can be fun as long as it is just a side-project and you don't make it into an ideology or part of your identity. You just need to assume that they aren't stupid and are instead arguing in bad faith. And you aren't really arguing to change their mind, instead you are arguing to change the mind of a random reader.
I saw multiple people get username-mention pinged into a thread to get dunked on only to end up sticking around and becoming progressively more ardent leftists over the years.