It's all hatred against women to fuel male G*mers pipedream about hate fucking and murdering the opposite sex. 
Oh I'm sorry, these are "zombies" (also a stand in for immigrants) so it's permitted.
The zombie fad (I don't mean Romero-era, I mean the post 2000s shit) was a blank check for chuds to jerk it to power fantasies of murdering the others while being praised for being an alpha bro he-man because gun. I hated it and I'm glad it's on the wane.
The zombie fad (I don't mean Romero-era, I mean the post 2000s shit) was a blank check for chuds to jerk it to power fantasies of murdering the others while being praised for being an alpha bro he-man because gun. I hated it and I'm glad it's on the wane.
As a crushing blow to me this formulated in Resi 6 which was just super-charged with the racism and othering of african men as "savages" and had you playing a white roided out action hero with a gun. Sucked because I'm a big Capcom fan and I still can't wrap my head around that game. Not sure if it was just stupidity on the part of developers that have never visited africa nor lived in a society with african people or straight up racism.
Japanese culture is notorious for racism against black people. Painted with a broad brush Japanese culture is notoriously xenophobic. You'll see similarly fucked depictions of Africans in a lot of anime. I assume Resident Evil 5 was Japanese racism and stereotypes towards Africans being expressed and not directly connected to the American Zombie Chud phenomena.
I dont won't to be an ass, but did you mean Resi 5? Also, while I agree with you overall, I will say the game could've worked if they leaned more into the colonization angle that's present in it. The main bad guy is a blonde white guy with a fetish for wearing black leather and making people "superior", iirc, all he's missing is a red armband. He's allied himself with a corporate white lady who's completely fine with his experimentation on the local people of the area her company has taken land from and built factories on, as well as morally bankrupt arms dealer Steve Buscemi.
Hopefully, when they remake 5, they'll push that idea more into the mainplot instead of just finding it in optional notes through out the games. They can still have the notes to flesh it out a little, just have Wesker talk about how using a populace of "globally unimportant peoples" allowed them to carry out their experimentation with less concern of being noticed. Have Sheva talk more about her personal experiences while befriending Chris during the game, like what they did with Ashley ReRE 4. If they want to be a little more on the nose, they could have random bsaa members in the game express how "unhappy" they are to be in Africa.
It has potential, but it depends on how willing they are to make chuds mad at them for being woke.
Edit: also, please remove the huts and grass skirts section of the game. Like, just, why would you put that in there?
Edit: also, please remove the huts and grass skirts section of the game. Like, just, why would you put that in there?
Why indeed?
I actually played RE 5 again recently, after watching a Castle Super Beast episode featuring SphereHunter in it. A little ways through they mentioned it and said something about "grass skirts and huts", and I thought ,"It wasn't that bad was it?", and played it for a few hours. For awhile, it was just a worse version of RE 4: parasites, murder monsters, slightly better companion mechanic, 80's action hero character. Then I got to THAT part and I legit had my mouth hang open. It really was that bad, honestly.
Which I always found kinda sad when Carpenter, whether he meant it or not, made very good poignant statements against white hero syndrome in his first few zambooni movies
Which I always found kinda sad when Carpenter, whether he meant it or not, made very good poignant statements against white hero syndrome in his first few zambooni movies
We live in a society
where fucking Starship Troopers the movie, made by a guy that hated the book and wanted a long satirical dunk on it, has been declared as one of the inspirations for an entire generation of modern fascists, slogans and all.What chance did Carpenter have there?
I think that's why he never stated it's what he meant (he seems to have a general disgust towards the consumptive habits of movie viewers in rejecting or destroying meaning in film), even though having your black hero getting killed by a white mob of hicks and cops in the fucking 70s is beyond fucking subtle unless you happen to be an alien that just arrived on Earth
The screenshot in a vacuum seems problematic, but yeah… these are indeed “zombies.” I don’t care for Dead Island so I don’t know what the plot is so maybe the allegory towards marginalized people are very on the nose and I’m wrong.
What’s more problematic is that I’ve seen this screenshot used in the thumbnail for a video showcasing the gore with the title “When developers don’t care about PTSD” when in fact, they very much do.
The Mortal Kombat devs were required to view real gore as reference for their work, and just the process of animating gore was traumatic apparently. Me, personally, I don’t know why you’d voluntarily work for a company whose known for absurd gore if you can’t handle animating it, but viewing real gore as part of work is unacceptable. And gamers want to whitewash this fact so they can go viral on YouTube.
I don’t know why you’d voluntarily work for a company whose known for absurd gore if you can’t handle animating it
Because people usually need to work in order to live.
Animation jobs at game studios isn’t exactly the same thing as an Amazon warehouse. Creative jobs have more flexibility in terms of where you can work
That's a
take for sure. Dismissing creatives as "not real work" or assuming they're labor aristocrats that can easily pack up and instantly find work is presumptive.I said or. And the latter part of what I said more directly applied to your take. I mentioned both because
on 
have defended/justified abusive working conditions in the games industry for a long time with takes like that, often in the "if they dont like it they can just work somewhere else" format.Are you suggesting that abusing workers is fine if they have a special label of "has privileged job"?
that seems delusional man
Ableist concern trolling doesn't help your argument, maaaaaan.
What’s with this website and constantly trying to find the most negative interpretation of everything said
that seems delusional man
Mirror. Find one. Now.
Fuck you
Heated gamer moment if I ever saw one, and of course it's in defense of worker abuse in a game company.
What the fuck is wrong with you. Do you get off on being an annoying piece of shit all the time. It’s funny because I always sorta defended you in the back of my head whenever I see people railing on you but now being on the other side of I can see why they lose their mind over your childish posts
childish
Demanding suicide and wishing death on someone in defense of a treat is a very Mature Adultman thing to do.
Foaming with rage at me isn't really covering for the glaring fact that you're claiming that worker abuse is justified if someone is a privileged worker with the privilege of requiring traumatic viewings of gory material to keep their jobs.
I can’t wish death upon people slandering me for no ducking reason?
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Kill yourself. Truly. Slit your throat you fucking removed
There it is.
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I don’t wish death upon anyone but YOU
All of this because of a fucking video game treat. And this is why I used to say "treat defender" a lot. This. This right here.
I don’t give a fuck about this game or any othe fucking game.
All you had to do was just explain
I did, particularly when I explained that worker abuse is still worker abuse even if you call it "privileged." And your mask fell off.
You'll have to make a brave alt now because your Epic Gamer mask fell off in defense of treats. Too bad for you.
For those keeping score, yes, I just said the t-word because this treat defender deserves it, truly.
Most zombie media to me has always struck me as reactionary,
can't really think of a counter example. Zombies tend to get coded as a mob of minorities in the worst cases like that scene in World War Z perhaps the most fascist thing I've ever watched unexpectedly was the zombies making a pig pile to scale the wailing wall to attack the Jews and "the peaceful Palestinians who were just getting along" gee I wonder what the message was supposed to be there. Even when writers don't seem to be trying to code their zombies as a minority group they got a sort of painting the masses as "the mob" thing going for them that just doesn't vibe with me.EDIT: An older CoD has the zombies as Nazis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cmEZGbpnQ so I guess they're out there.
Yeah, the only good zombie media I know of that doesn't stick zombies in the "savage horde" trope that's borderline racist is Romero's stuff.
Return of the Night of the Living Dead was basically a big shitpost about small business tyrants and the military industrial complex causing disaster through their own negligence and bloodlust. Its sequels weren't great but they also didn't really do the normal zombie thing: the second one has suburbanites turning on each other after the military botches the cleanup of the first movie and the third puts the zombies in the role of elite military bioweapons. The fourth and fifth are completely unrelated early 2000s b-movies about the military industrial complex trying to make elite shock troops out of zombies and something incoherent about drugs being made from the zombie serum for ??? reasons that were pretty much just a narrative excuse to have a horny rave sequence.
I got drunk and watched some movie on netflix a few years ago, I think it was called Rezort or something like that, that was about refugees being literally dehumanized and commodified for private profit. It wasn't a particularly good movie, but it was a pretty scathing critique of the zombie genre in that the zombies were explicitly victims being put into a situation where park engineering rendered them harmless so rich freaks could hunt them for sport.
night of the living dead ending with the black guy being shot by the police is kinda hilarious.
For the time though it was pretty scathing, Romero's always been pretty conscious on racism and class issues and it shows in his zombie movies.
Never watched Romero movies, they were before my time. Good to know though.
They're great, and not just as zombie movies either, but you gotta respect that his films set the stage and the bar to clear for future generations of zombie media.
But they also made one of the protagonists a Nazi lol. I mean they made every faction of WWII and the Cold War protagonists, but still stupid
It does have very reactionary roots, although I think there's more to them than something just being borne out of reactionary views.
As a plot device it can set up and be explained by a lot of scenarios. A lot of its cultural endurance probably is down to it being an interesting scenario, and a scenario that's very easy for people to self insert to feel good about why they're a brain genius who totally would've survived the apocalypse.
I base these musings off nothing but vibes though, could be wrong.
Anyway, Shaun of The Dead has a funny little riff at the end about the post Zombie world and how we might treat these 'subhumans' after. The military clears things up pretty quickly (as they probably would), and then the remaining zombies are just used in challenge type obstacle course gameshows and stuff. Apart from the protagonists best friend Ed, who he keeps in his shed and attempts to rehabilitate by playing video games with him and sharing junk food.
fuck this franchise. is there going to be another concerted guerilla marketing campaign about how omg sledgehammering these
savageszombies in the face is actually so poignant rly makes me think
like last time? cuz that was fucking insufferable.guerilla marketing campaign
Seen this a lot lately in the youtube shorts for gaming videos. Like that soviet game with the big boob robots, CGI stills from the game as a thumbnail in a provocative pose with a title like "The developers thought of EVERYTHING!"
I remember when Tomb Raider games were marketed directly as
with shit like "EIDOS is giving you TWO VERY GOOD REASONS to play Tomb Raider!" 
wasn't that when her chest area was a single triangular prism? lol
false advertising smdhOh, it was false advertising, because her low-poly body got doctored up in the chest area in the promo material while mostly ignoring the rest.
https://www.advertisingarchives.co.uk/preview/23050/1/Magazine-Advert/Tomb-Raider-Computer-Game/1990s.jpg
TR games are actually fun action platformers, really dumb to have to play up the awooga in Lara Croft.
Agreed. I avoided Tomb Raider for years because the marketing (and the fandom) made me assume it was
trash like Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball.Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball.
ugh yuck but I did love Rumble Roses as a horny teen.
Being a horny teenager isn't a crime, but even back then I'd wonder why people didn't just watch porn instead of playing a tedious tacked on minigame to watch dae le jiggle physics and pretend to court waifus.
The video the thumbnail is from is even worse. I'm not going to link it because frankly it's borderline snuff.
Idk if the zombie thing is a stand-in for immigrants as much as a general "feral savage" stamp to communicate that doing whatever you want to this non-person is fair game and you're actually a hero for doing it.
Can't imagine girls feel good about being reminded that gamers fantasize about committing sexualized violence against them specifically though
someone make a roblox game where you defend India (or other formerly colonized country) from hordes of angry male mayos
Dead Island 2
also worth noting the original game was having a normal one too: [NSFW violence and misogyny] https://www.polygon.com/2013/1/15/3878810/dead-island-riptides-bloody-torso-statue-sparks-anger-shock
Misogyny/racism/mass murder fantasies are cool and good if it's a zombie scenario!
original game
hate to be that guy, but the link you've posted is actually about the second game. Somehow, they even got the name wrong for Dead Island 2 because it's the third game
Wasn't Dead Island the one where about halfway through you meet a tribe living on the island who plan to stave of the virus by carrying out human sacrifice?
Entertainment has no effect on its consumers, which is why this thread just had
drop their mask and lose a few weeks of posting history and I stopped my fast to call out a treat defender demanding (cw: suicide, death threat, heated gamer moment)spoiler
that I "Kill yourself. Truly. Slit your throat you fucking removed" and "I don’t wish death upon anyone but YOU you fucking removed"
because I said that workers being abused is not okay even if they're privileged workers doing gory special effects.
Turns out concerned parents were right again. Violent video games and listening to groomer rock stars were all corrupting influences. We should have banned them.
Violent video games
Broke: Mortal Kombat causes real life violence and should be banned for the good of humanity.
Woke: League of Legends causes real life violence and should be banned for the good of humanity.
I wasn't going there, but I suppose I'll tap the sign for you.
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/17a93ef5-c9c7-44d3-9c78-113b4575f2ac.png
Fuck You I gave you money and you refuse to even read my reasoning
Fuck You I gave you money
Scratched liberal
EDIT: Who the fuck upvoted the above comment?
I haven't said the t-word in almost a year but it was really called for this time.
You immediately become hostile toward me and I’m not allowed to be ipsetV
You immediately become hostile
You called me "delusional" for saying worker abuse is still abuse, "privileged" workers or not. I said that was ableist concern trolling then you (CW: suicide)
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immediately demanded that I slit my own throat.
Death threats and suicide demands therefore justified!
They are when you keep saying I want people to ducking suffer for nothing
Your track record isn't looking good when you've already (CW: suicide, death threats)
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demanded I slit my own throat and that you want to murder me.
Cute. You didn't deny the suicide demand you already made. But with
Gater classic tactics, you're sea lioning the tiny part you can try to be pedantic about.(CW: death threat)
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I don’t wish death upon anyone but YOU you fucking removed
I’m done. You refuse to even humor the slightest possibility that I was trying to have a discussion and you just became hostile for no reason and pushed me into a corner. You win I guess. Congratulations.
I appreciate your efforts today because you demonstrated what a treat defender truly looks like, which compelled me to break a months long hiatus on using the word "treat" to describe the sort of thing that
like you will wish death and suffering upon others for if they are ever criticized.
I don't think they were considering view gore for animating Mortal Kombat to be abuse, so this conversation is very hard to follow since I don't think everyone is on the same page
Being called "deluded" that early on and then the (CW: suicide)
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demand for me to slit my throat
that followed one reply later then the claim that such a demand was justified because of my supposed lack of @Civility@hexbear.net soured my interest in exploring whatever point that poster was trying to make about "privileged" creative workers.
Ran into this last night playing 7 days to die, a couple of the female zombies have underwear modeled under their dresses and it makes me feel weird. Mainly just a lil gross and confused
a couple of the female zombies have underwear modeled under their dresses and it makes me feel weird.
brain, not even once.
Am I missing some context here? What means zombies are stand ins for immigrants?
Not gonna deny that the gaming industry is terrible to women but there are male zombies too, and you can smack them about all the same.
It's Vox but here's a little primer on it https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/31/13440402/zombie-political-history
Yeah, those critiques of the franchises it mentioned are true, and broadly speaking it's accurate but it's tracking trends in zombie media. That doesn't mean all zombie media that comes out now is allegory for immigrants.
I haven't played Dead Island 2, but a cursory read of the plot seems to me like it's just playing on pandemic fears. They don't tie zombie outbreak to global migration like World War Z does, rather it's just some scientist who discovered that all humans have a gene that's going to make them all become zombies unless he essentially vaccinates them by giving them an inactive version of the virus. It's the opposite to what you're saying really because all of humanity is affected by this 'expiry date', not just certain people who need to be stopped from migrating. It's set in a quarantined L.A. It just seems like they're exploring the 'greater good' of quarantine and vaccines to me. I guess there's elements of eugenics in that some people are pre-immune to the zombie gene but I wouldn't assume that was their intention.
Perhaps you could read into problematics of killing hordes of people defined as not human if you wanted to, but I think that might constitute being a joyless leftist. (I am one of them)
Please stop inviting Joe to play with you, though. He's had enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXm_PqIFx2w
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