Based on the coconut tree from which I fell, my IRL social circle skews heavily towards white, conservative evangelical and Catholic types. I also have an unhealthy obsession with following these same politically conservative white evangelical individuals and groups on social media.
And what’s surprising to me is, since shortly after Oct 7, it seems that the overwhelming opinion of relatively younger (let’s say under 40) people in this demo is at least some sort of soft anti-Israel opinion. The boomers, they still have that Fetterman-esque love for Israel. But younger conservatives… I usually see opinions about how we shouldn’t send Israel any more money, or acknowledging that Israel is committing a genocide. And it seems like it’s the overwhelming opinion from young conservatives, too. I’m sure there’s plenty of younger conservatives that do support Israel, but anecdotally that group feels very small.
That’s not to say I’m seeing a lot of pro-Palestinian sentiment, because I’m not. That’s probably a bridge too far for them. Also probably related to the fact that most Americans are just so incredibly ignorant about what goes on in other parts of the world, they can’t formulate full thoughts on these issues.
For months now, I’ve been all geared up to argue with anyone I know IRL who supports Israel. But it’s just never happened. Either people care or have any opinion one way or another, or they are critical of Israel. Not what I was expecting.
I wonder if AIPAC and Israel realize just how much they’ve lost younger Americans, probably for good (not that they care, they’ll just keep buying off American politicians).
I've been wearing a Hamas green trucker hat with a Palestinian flag on it out and about in Texas and I have yet to hear anything but positive feedback from people. I haven't even noticed side eyes. The nice lady at the corner store near me asked what the flag was and when I told her we had a little chat about how awful the genocide is, and she quietly said "And nobody cares because they're Muslims". I was floored to hear that from a definitely Republican woman my age or a little older.
I don’t think it’s mostly anti-semitism. Some of it is just standard conservative “we shouldn’t give handouts to any country”. A lot of it is being able to feel enough empathy to recognize Israel is doing something bad but not enough empathy (or just racism) to actually feel the need to take up the cause of Palestinian liberation or give the whole think more than a moment or two of thought.
Americans unsurprisingly have very incoherent views about issues beyond their own borders.
I would guess a lot of it is "why are we sending all this money to a country richer than us?" Which adds a new layer on top of the usual "isolationism" and skepticism towards "foreign aid" (to use their framing.)
Millenial conservatives still have a lot of remaining libertarian and anti-iraq-war influence.
I was alluding to that being very nazi-like, perhaps disliking Israel for being Jewish instead of Zionist in their actions
It's true.
For many, I think it's also an attitude of "what a waste of taxpayer dollars (etc). Just let them sort their own problems out idgaf".
In parallel to what you're saying, maybe even some overlap.
Me in a no reading comprehension competition
Leaving up for cringe related purposes
I mean I don't really disagree with you, personally, it's usually side-eye worthy
I think they do know that they've lost young people. I remember seeing some articles discussing this eariler this year.
im pretty sure "young" just means "anyone younger than gen xers" in these things even though millennials are pretty much middle aged at this point
I see a lot of blue checks on twitter calling US politicians "traitors" with slogans like "Israel first, America last" which I assume to be mostly right-wingers. They don't like that the US keep shoving money up Israel's ass, especially since Israel keeps giving them the middle finger in return.
At this point, the main people who actually like Israel are the bourgeoisie who directly financially benefit from the colonization. Outside of that it's a handful of insane Nazis and brainwashed libs.
Even here in Germany, the most pathetically loyal client state speedrunning fascism to protect Israel's right to snipe toddlers, the public opinion towards the country is still negative. Nobody likes these genocidal freaks. But we live in a dictatorship of capital and capital has a lot of real estate investments in the area, so we have no choice but give them more bombs.
Germans don't like Israel??? Can you give a source? I genuinely thought it was the opposite
hmmm i seem to remember a map graph that plotted pro-israel sentiment in europe and it was uniformly lower than some years ago, but all i can dig up atm are depressing stats of like half of german respondents liking israel on polls. but even so 50% support is wildly incongruous with the state's 2,000% support and implementation of fascist policies to crack down on the dissent lol
I just think Germans will always have dog shit opinions on any kind of genocide. Especially the ones they support or carry out
I mean MLPD is extremely cringey about this for example.
Ok that was an exaggeration, but the opinion of the average German does not reflect the unquestioning devotion of the government.
December 2023: 57% say Israel "pursues its interest with no consideration of other populations", only 35% say Israel cares about human rights. (But also only 9% say it has no right to exist, so still cucked)
I also wanna point out that Germany's pro-Israel propaganda is like 5x more intense than US propaganda. It's to the point that I regularly see Germans positively compare CNN headlines to the absurd German headlines, such as this example about a recent massacre
English headline:
At least 70 Palestinians reported killed in Israeli strike targeting Hamas military chief
Head of German article:
Attack on Hamas military boss: On Saturday, Israel's army attacked a location where they assumed Mohammed Deif to be. Whether he was killed or injured in the process is currently not known.
US media is a haven of truth compared to German news media when it comes to Israel. CNN sounds like hexbear compared to the Tagesschau. The people here are completely brainwashed and the fact that public opinion is shifting at all is surprising.
US media is a haven of truth compared to German news media when it comes to Israel. CNN sounds like hexbear compared to the Tagesschau. The people here are completely brainwashed and the fact that public opinion is shifting at all is surprising.
Reminds me of how I looked at the BBC during the Bush years
i hate israel because they are doing genocide
they hate israel because it is run by jewish people
we are not the same
the modern nazis love israel try again
edit: actually the historical nazis were fine with it too as a nazi was one of the first zionists
