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The US is the Fourth Reich and the two flavors of politics are Nazi and Nazi in Flower Headband.
It was the zeroth reich dawg, they mastered genocide before Hitler
I have seen a flood of liberal vomit for months now. Its just so gross. Here's an example :
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They know they won't care about Palestine after 2025 because they're already not caring about it before 2025.
They never did. Some of these bring up other genocides to say that people are ignoring other genocides. As if they know even a single thing about any ongoing genocide. Its very brazen.
The lesser evil is still evil
And it's debatable if they even are truely any less evil than the GOP. Both are bad and should be opposed, not compromised with. They have blood on their hands.
The Democrat and the Republican both agree to the airstrike. The explosion kills innocent bystanders. The Republican gleefully says "fuck 'em." The Democrat solemnly says "collateral damage was unavoidable."
For liberals, justice is brutality.
For conservatives, brutality is justice.
“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.”
― Andrzej Sapkowski, The Last Wish
As long as we destroy humanity slightly slower than if we were the greater evil, the extinction of humanity will be sooo much better, aren't you glad you vooted sweaty?
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Is the 'good cop' lesser evil than 'bad cop', if they are working together?
Is it bad to say that I genuinely hate liberals more than the far right
Nope. Not at all; in fact, I'd say that means you have a working sense of indignance and contempt because cracker democrats will smile in your face as they try and cudgel a vote out of you. The real sickening part is the moment it processes that their approach doesn't and will not work on you? That's when they get more hateful, more racist, more -phobic than the far right.
If you're Black, they'll tell you that not voting for them is a vote for everyone you love getting put up a tree by 'Trumpers'. When more than half of the dead Black martyrs over the last fifteen years have been slabbed out by Northerner cops in supposedly-Democrat cities; when it's been Democrats funnelling PDs military surplus via 1033, when it's been Democrats drafting up the plans for Cop Cities in the first place.
If you're any kind of Middle-eastern, bc trust, these crackers can't tell the difference, they'll invoke the subway attacks and random shootings that settlers keep orchestrating on ANYONE they think is Palestinian.
If you're any kind of LGBTQ, they'll invoke Project 2025 and breathlessly pearlclutch about how you'll lose everything the movement has gained if you don't support their genocide, because no one in the middle east has your rights like you do right here. Despite western Pride both not being a necessity to the outer world, AND already having been pinkwashed by cops and corporates thanks to the weak-link white gays to the point that if you look just across the pond at blahaj.zone, they're already eagerly slobbing on Democrat low quarters and we're only halfway through August.
And then, after all that, if their cudgeling still doesn't work? That's when they wish everything they just said on you directly, like some kind of peckerwood malediction. At least a fascist won't try to present himself as a friend just to take the mask off when it's clear I'm not buying what he's selling.
Thank you for typing this up. This is essentially my belief system but I couldn't be bothered writing it all down. The liberals I have known have done nothing but throw me under the bus at every opportune moment while still pretending to be my friend or care about my people.
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season."
- MLK, Letter from a Birmingham Jail
It's almost funny to see liberals quoting this at 'centrist' liberals as though they aren't basically identical.
Almost.
This is a great quote, it has been some time since I read up on MLK so I forgot who had said it. I agree with it completely.
mostly, he also had some bad takes
I’m not talking about communism. What I’m talking about is far beyond communism. My inspiration didn’t come from Karl Marx; my inspiration didn’t come from Engels; my inspiration didn’t come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn’t come from Lenin. Yes, I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago, and I saw that maybe Marx didn’t follow Hegel enough. He took his dialectics, but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism. And he went over to a German philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made it into a system that he called “dialectical materialism.” I have to reject that.
What I’m saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both.
Cornel West is the same. You sometimes hear him talk and you think "what a wonderful human being" and then he says something that makes you want to poke your eyes out...
I'll stick to Lenin for inspiration, thank you very much.
He was literally a professional theologian and his beliefs were instrumental to his activist work. And when was this quote from? He became more and more fervently anti-capitalist as time went on and he realized that the United States was a "burning house" due to its broken economic system.
He spoke a few times saying that Communist states hadn't aligned themselves to the same freedoms as America is supposed to, etc. etc. It's pretty bread and butter appealing to red scare America rhetoric, and it's much less anti Communist than almost anything else that was remotely mainstream from the time. So I say he gets a pass.
Where Do We Go From Here? August 1967, 8 months before being assassinated
pointing out a bad take doesn’t diminish his accomplishments, being a demsoc is still good, he knew the feds were after him and what his audience needed to hear and definitely gets a pass
Yeah, sad that schools teach such a watered down version of him.
At least the fash is honest about being pieces of shit. Liberals wants you to pretend they're the good guys.
Pretty much this. I hate the moral high horse that liberals ride on more than anything.
(CW gross shit) its Political Nice Guyism. They wanna pretend they care soo much, and things will be better under them I promise, and how could we not want to vote for such nice progressive people like them??
But then when you tell them you won't support genocide? They take the mask off. "That's fine that you're too stupid to know what's good for you, I hope Trump throws you in a camp you ugly bitch"
I'mma start calling votescolds political incels, that is a top notch comparison
And when they do get in, they're all jumping over themselves to libsplain to you why they're doing Jack shit about those progressive noises they made during the campaign: "now is not the time", "but the national credit card", "but the terror threat", "but their legitimate concerns" or they pull out some teeny-tiny little token improvement, the 1% that separates 99% Hitler from 100% Hitler, and want you to be impressed that they made a plan for making 20% of the food served to children in concentration camps organic by 2075.
The enemy that tells you to your face they want to kill you is better than the enemy that smiles at you while sliding a knife into your back.
Chuds don't pretend they're your friend while shooting your comrades dead.
They both support mass murder but the libs are condescendingly smug about it.
It’s better to deal with assholes than getting fuck over by hypocrites
It's the lesser evil if you live in the imperial core, otherwise it's just intersectional war crimes
I mean, you can vote for a lesser evil and also work on changing the system entirely so that it's not evil any more.
Libs vote and go to a 4 year long brunch. They ain't changing nothing.
the non libs should do whatever they do AND vote though. there's no harm in voting for the lesser evil if you don't use it as an excuse to not also do other things.
There is harm in voting it legitimizes the system. We want the evil empire to die, why should we bow to its customs?
Take a look around at all the new wars your lesser evil administration has started, the genocide it's helping perpetrate, and tell me who the accelerationists are here.
Sounds like you're the exact sort of lib who turns their brain off when the dems are in office and you just wanna go back to brunch for 4 more years
the idea that we should make everything go to shit as quickly as possible so that it all collapses because then it will be rebuilt as [your political ideology] and everything will be awesome.
First of all, that's not what accelerationism actually is, second of all, if someone is going to vote, it is far more sensible for them to vote third party so that there is at least some possibility of non-libs getting into power. Otherwise, this or that lib getting into power makes little difference.
Ah, I understand. I can assure you that not voting does not lead to accelerationism
there's no harm in voting for the lesser evil
The USian Dem party is not a lesser evil. It's the same as the other part of your uniparty, except that it pretends to be different from its twin.
Hell, Trump seems to be more senile and less capable of running your genocide machine than Harris. I don't see you call everyone to vote for him for the sake of burying the settler-colonial project earlier and reducing harm this way.
There is harm in voting for the lesser evil. It's called the ratchet effect, it pulls everything to the right.
Vote third party.
voting third party in the USA is kinda like not voting at all from what I've heard. the system is kinda fucked up like that. it's a bit better over here in germany, there isn't really a "third party", just lots of parties of varying sizes. but yea ideally you would vote for a better party and that would actually lead to change. tho I doubt that voting for a third party does more good than voting for the lesser of the two big evils.
over here in germany
Ah, I'm beginning to understand how you guys got Hitler
Thanks but I'm not voting between Hitler and blue Hitler
voting third party in the USA is kinda like not voting at all
Not exactly. Even within the mind prison of liberal electoralism, voting for a third party in a FPTP system is different from not voting at all.
If the "lesser evil" becomes afraid that they are going to lose because of people voting for non-evil third parties, they will have an incentive to be less evil in order to convince those voters to come back.
On the other hand, if the "lesser evil" feels safe that people are going to vote for them as long as they're less evil than the other evil candidate there's really nothing holding them back from being 99.9% as evil as the greater evil. In fact, becoming almost as evil as the other guy becomes the rational strategy for appealing to centrist voters who could opt for the greater evil if the lesser evil is not seen as being evil enough.
This has the further effect of moving the Overton window to the right as you know have two very evil candidates taking up public space and attention, thereby normalising the greater evil access pushing public opinion towards more evil.
Politicians might all be evil off-putting losers but they're not idiots. They're rational actors seeking to maximise personal gains. By declaring that you will vote for somebody no matter what they do you're effectively telling them not to pay attention to you and to spend their efforts courting the right instead.
On the other hand by being willing to withhold your vote, thereby causing the "lesser evil" to lose, you're putting a price tag on your support, giving them an incentive to be less evil.
Of course this effect is greatest the less safe the seat in question is. If either evil candidate has a safe seat and is expected to win with a huge majority, voting for either evil, voting third party or not voting at all becomes pointless as public input is no longera meaningful part of the political process.
is literally german
Ah okay. Your people just really love genocide so you can't comprehend why someone wouldn't want to vote for genocide.
Hey, you're starting to realize how it's not actually a democracy over here.
so you think the election is not controlled by votes at all? interesting
I mean not really. Its more controlled by the dnc/rnc corporations. They set the only two options people get to choose between. And both of those options do the bidding of the same donors.
Like a teacher letting students vote on new paint color for the room. "Would you like to paint the room pastel purple or lavender?"
The students could vote for green(and maybe most of them prefer that if) they wanted but most don't even veiw that as an option because of the structure.
History will know who collaborated with the genociders by whose names and SSNs are attached to the ballots.
I hope you'll still be able to sleep with the constantly-incrementing volume of blood you'll have to wash your hands in to maintain your comfort. You disgust me how you just keep trying to cudgel.
This whole debate is so warped tbh. No-one ever says that voting for a candidate/party who would have won anyway is "throwing your vote away" but it does exactly as much good as not voting at all. Similarly, if you wake up the day after the election, and the Bad Dude won, well, your vote wouldn't have changed anything anyway.
You can register your dissent by voting third party. It's not much, but that's all you're allowed to do.
It always seems to work out in such a way that we owe them everything always and they never owe us shit, despite us supposedly being the ones responsible whenever they lose
Since voting for the non-Trump one is completely meaningless, voting third party actually has a greater real effect. It doesn't get the third party elected this time, but the larger the percentage of third party is per election cycle, the more it might seem possible to get one elected, and that might in turn lead to real perceptible changes. It might lead to, eventually, 16 years down the line, to a critical mass where enough people will think it's viable and get someone else elected. Or it might scare the existing power-monopoly into doing some democratic actions.
from what I've heard
See you don't even live here. You have no fuckin idea what you are talking about, and as others have already told you in detail it doesn't matter anyway. Direct action is what we have.
Germany covered up the usa attack on its critical energy infrastructure. You think your vote matters in a vassal state as subservient as this?
Edit: Biden attacked your country! Destroyed your infrastructure! Made your people's heating costs unaffordable!
Yes I am going to vote for the guaranteed extermination of Palestinians Mein Fuhrer
One of the big "reasons to vote for Biden" was because he wasn't Trump and it would be a return to "normal".
Then the 2024 election got closer and everybody forgot that Biden was just supposed to be a place holder and started crowing about how he's the "greatest most progressivest president evah!" when he absolutely wasn't. The Dems and their supporters decided that "no, because Biden won the 2020 election it was ACTUALLY because everybody was voting FOR Biden instead of AGAINST Trump" and got all butt hurt when people pointed out that "maybe the Dems should have spent 4 years getting a better candidate ready to run for President with a D by their name in 2024" because Biden kinda sucks.
So, no, voting "just to vote" isn't something that is a zero sum game. If you are voting for a candidate that you don't want to win to try to keep some other candidate from winning, the only thing that the candidate sees is that somebody voted for them. Once they win, they don't need to listen to you anymore.
Really good video. I'm surprised I haven't heard of this person before. That's the best I've seen that contradiction explained.
thank you for telling me, sometims I fear that I'm annoyingly posting things everyone has already seen
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Spending 4 hours at a homeless shelter or comforting a random crackhead on the street will be a greater net good for the world than spending 4 hours in line to vote for my preffered genocidal maniac.
This argument is only somewhat valid if you agree that there is a lesser evil between the two, we don't agree with that, that's what you peoples don't understand about our position.
None of you have ever provided any evidences that the Democrats are less bad than the Republicans, not a single one of you ever did. You just accept it as true without questions.
You're saying that there's no harm in voting for evil? Seems pretty harmful and evil to me
You stupid motherfuckers fucking giving legitimacy to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie by participating in its elections, giving direct sanction to our ruling class, makes it almost impossible to fucking do anything, you dumb piece of shit
You put us in a position where violent revolution is the only option to cause real change, but you're the same dumb fucks who cheer and oink as the cops murder us, so thanks for nothing, fucker
So, what's your plan for reforming Nazi Germany from within? By the way, should we vote for Goebbels or Himmler?
like I said in other comments, I'm not saying you should only try changing the system from within. voting doesn't take a lot of time though, and I don't see why you shouldn't use the methods within the system to try to make it get shitty less quickly while ALSO trying to change the system in other ways. unless you're an accelerationist I guess. I don't see any harm in voting for the lesser evil as long as you don't use it as an excuse to not also do other stuff. you can do both, and I'm worried that people that act like it's either or might make things worse than they're already going to be.
"Voting doesnt take alot of time"
detected. Sure, white libs dont have barriers to voting like shutting down all but one polling location in their area.I don't see any harm
Did you see the part of the tweet where a whole extended family was killed? They're doing a genocide
it doesn't change anything about those things, but it can change some other things. the only two viewpoints I can see from which voting is bad is either if you're an accelerationist (in which case you should probably just vote for the side which you think is worse) or if you think that voting "legitimizes the system" and makes it stronger, somehow. though I'm not a fan of accelerationism and I don't think that "the system" would care if all left leaning people just stopped voting. I definitely don't think it would make anything better
Let's turn this around. There are two viewpoints from where voting is seen as good.
1: deccelerationists, they think their vote makes it less bad. Fools.
2: those who want to legitimize the system. Genocidal monsters.
The time and energy spent on voting and campaigning would be better spent planting gardens and building community yes. Then , AFTER you have a strong community, you can making voting easy in you area and coordinate yourselves as a larger voting bloc.
Once a critical mass of communities is organized enough to change an election, both right wings will pull the accelerationism lever as a hail mary. All the while blaming the communities organized enough to attempt protecting themselves. At no point will the ruling class allow an election to change things.
So you do see the harm? Sorry, a bit confused on whether or not you think they deserve to live
I do see harm in the system. I said I don't see any harm in voting. you just conveniently took out the in voting part. not voting won't make anything better.
But the system is set up in a way that all votes for third party get discarded.
when voting there's only really two options. the giga evil and the mega evil. third party would be ideal but that's basically the same as not voting at all in the current system.
when voting there's only really two options.
No, there's only one option if you don't live in a swing state. Did you not pay attention in social studies or something?
Anyone who is currently committing genocide is certainly not the lesser evil, so you must be suggesting we vote for Trump.
This is a communist instance and I don't think you'll get much traction drumming up votes for him around here.
No, you can't. The Amerikan political system is hardened and inured against actions from the inside, otherwise tHe SqUaD would've actually been able to do something with their tenures that wasn't "get their numbers slashed by half by the time 2024 rolled around", and the Black Misleadership Cabal-- I mean, the Congressional Black Caucus wouldn't be shucking, jiving, stepping, and fetching for the peckerwood democrats.
You a goddamn lie.
well, do you think libs seeing tweets like this will go do stuff? or do you think they'll just do even less and not even vote? I also dislike how this narrative discourages people that aren't libs from voting. you can change the system and also go vote once every 4 years, they are not mutually exclusive. my comment was more aimed at the users of this community than the libs
The truthful narrative discourages people from voting huh?
Simple fact of the matter is, Voting only works in democracies.
"You people who hate the evil empire should participate in the ritual that legitimizes the evil empire"
Liberals, every time
yea if all left leaning people just stopped voting the world would be a better place..
The US would be exactly the same as it is now. There has never been any left wing candidate allowed near the presidency.
Trump is more senile and less capable of managing your genocide machine.
Otherwise, they are effectively the same.
You are welcome to try and explain why a second-in-command of the administration that has been continuing almost all Trump's policies is different from Trump.Did i say that? I said leftists in the US have never had a candidate to vote for. It has always been right wing vs fascist. Blue nice fascist vs red mean fascist.
They dont have to be identical for their policy effects to be the same.
I have no objections to voting in countries that are not part of the imperial core
It’s funny when the vote shaming lib shows up and doesn’t even understand the local elections mean more than the presidential elections. At least my lib friends understand that aspect.
Just change the system bro, it's so easy bro. Use the paid time off and strong public transit that I as a German assume everybody has and cast a vote for 99% hitler, as long as you live in one of the 10 states where your vote actually matters of course.
Yeah dude you can totally change the system that's why everything has just gotten worse every year for the past fucking forever, all the good changing the system we're doing voting for the lesser evil. Keep up the good work
eat shit you dumb motherfucker
I've heard this exact sentence every election for my entire life and things have only gotten worse
How do you propose we change the system entirely? Nobody here is suggesting not doing anything.
Voting gives away the only actual legal leverage you have (outside of donations, which AIPAC can outspend you on seeing the U.S. literally ships the money that gets funded right back to them).
If you vote for them while they are actively in the middle of commiting a genocide, then you have exactly zero principles outside of 'Well I've got mine." Well done, you've reinvented libertarianism.
