i'm responding to someone literally claiming that "humans are the greatest thing ever." i didn't say we were the worst, but we definitely ain't the fucking greatest.
Uh yeah we probably are given the fact that we allow ourselves to even conceive of greatness. anything you think of as great you do so thru your capacity as a human. therefore all greatness is human greatness. there isn’t anything outside the human perspective
this is almost certainly not true. various corvids and apes absolutely have a capacity to learn language while dolphins are incredibly sophisticated in this regard, communicating with each other in ways we are only just beginning to piece together. but this is I guess the point about the hubris of this sentiment: we do not understand the capacities of animals nearly so well to make statements like these.
our lack of understanding them is precisely why we have the responsibility to advocate for them is my point. that lack of understanding comes from their lack of linguistic capabilities that would allow them to prove they have subjectivity. because they can’t prove it, just like we can’t prove each other has it; we should take the benefit of the doubt and protect all potential subjectivity
I have linguistic capabilities. put me in a strange place where no one speaks a language I share and I might well struggle to prove my own subjectivity, especially were that subjectivity doubted by my captors and the burden of proof placed upon me. in fact, we know this because experiments like these were used to "prove" the lack of subjectivity of Africans.
but again, this is my point about hubris: we regularly assume we know things that we do not, including the lack of subjectivity, or the lack of linguistic capabilities of animals - or, indeed, of other people.
I think the most unsettling thing about your posts in this thread is the way you've taken white supremacist arguments, changed the subjects to humans and the objects to animals, but left the fundamentally bad reasoning that led to such bullshit wholly intact. humans do not need to be supreme in order for the continuation of our species to be worthwhile - we merely need to be. but we must also extend the same courtesy to the other living things with which we share the globe.
material conditions wouldn’t be able to provide proper protein sources. ideally we would just be mass producing artificial or lab grown meat using renewable energy
okay so what is your defense of keeping them if it's a bad idea to present the fact that those who would down vote something/have been down voted have some kind of flawed ideology? why have a fucking currency here?
flawed ideologies lead to a fuckton of bad consequences. to me, that shit could be defined as pathetic. my ideology can definitely be gauged with fucking tangible numbers if the ideologies being compared are "humans suck" and "humans are the most amazing thing ever."
I agree, the point of quantifying human thought is to control it from the top down. The fact that chapeaux dot cat has voting despite it reenforcing the kind of hierarchies socialists fight so hard against proves Marx's thesis that "the lower phase of communism ... [will be] stamped with the mark of the old."
dude fuck you. you excuse everything humans have done to our fucking planet with a fucking slur.
edit: if you have upvoted the above post, and and downvoted this one, you are fucking pathetic.
you’re the one saying the whole species is fucked. this kind of bourgeois pessimism is reactionary and fucking annoying
i'm responding to someone literally claiming that "humans are the greatest thing ever." i didn't say we were the worst, but we definitely ain't the fucking greatest.
Uh yeah we probably are given the fact that we allow ourselves to even conceive of greatness. anything you think of as great you do so thru your capacity as a human. therefore all greatness is human greatness. there isn’t anything outside the human perspective
wow. i'm not even a vegetarian, but this is a great argument for becoming one. fuck off.
dude i’m a fucking vegetarian haha bc it’s our responsibility as the only linguistically capable beings to advocate for those not
this is almost certainly not true. various corvids and apes absolutely have a capacity to learn language while dolphins are incredibly sophisticated in this regard, communicating with each other in ways we are only just beginning to piece together. but this is I guess the point about the hubris of this sentiment: we do not understand the capacities of animals nearly so well to make statements like these.
our lack of understanding them is precisely why we have the responsibility to advocate for them is my point. that lack of understanding comes from their lack of linguistic capabilities that would allow them to prove they have subjectivity. because they can’t prove it, just like we can’t prove each other has it; we should take the benefit of the doubt and protect all potential subjectivity
I have linguistic capabilities. put me in a strange place where no one speaks a language I share and I might well struggle to prove my own subjectivity, especially were that subjectivity doubted by my captors and the burden of proof placed upon me. in fact, we know this because experiments like these were used to "prove" the lack of subjectivity of Africans.
but again, this is my point about hubris: we regularly assume we know things that we do not, including the lack of subjectivity, or the lack of linguistic capabilities of animals - or, indeed, of other people.
I think the most unsettling thing about your posts in this thread is the way you've taken white supremacist arguments, changed the subjects to humans and the objects to animals, but left the fundamentally bad reasoning that led to such bullshit wholly intact. humans do not need to be supreme in order for the continuation of our species to be worthwhile - we merely need to be. but we must also extend the same courtesy to the other living things with which we share the globe.
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Why aren't you vegan?
material conditions wouldn’t be able to provide proper protein sources. ideally we would just be mass producing artificial or lab grown meat using renewable energy
I didn't ask "why isn't everyone vegan?", I asked "why aren't you vegan?"
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Why? It takes way fewer resources to grow plant proteins than animals.
Lentils and beans are cheaper than meat. Check out Indian recipes they're delicious
well then you should research the word perspective.
you should read kant
fuck you.
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then get rid of the fucking numbers all together.
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okay so what is your defense of keeping them if it's a bad idea to present the fact that those who would down vote something/have been down voted have some kind of flawed ideology? why have a fucking currency here?
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flawed ideologies lead to a fuckton of bad consequences. to me, that shit could be defined as pathetic. my ideology can definitely be gauged with fucking tangible numbers if the ideologies being compared are "humans suck" and "humans are the most amazing thing ever."
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i'm mad that people pretend that by participating in capitalism that they are exempt because they know it's horrible.
upvotes arent currency they are non-exchangeable and hold no monetary value bro
it's not about monetary value, value in itself is assigned by humans. what the fuck is the point of the fucking number then?
definitely not to exchange as a currency that’s for sure
oh wait does that make value a human concept then wink wink, maybe you do know some kant and wittgenstein
value as a fucking number.
I agree, the point of quantifying human thought is to control it from the top down. The fact that chapeaux dot cat has voting despite it reenforcing the kind of hierarchies socialists fight so hard against proves Marx's thesis that "the lower phase of communism ... [will be] stamped with the mark of the old."
No, no buddy, fuck you
No. fuck you and everyone who thinks like you.
What slur
he's calling me a misanthropist for merely saying that humans aren't the 'most amazing thing on the fucking planet.'
First of all the word is misanthrope, not misanthropist.
Secondly that isn't a slur dipshit
they're using it as a slur asshole
Insult and slur are not interchangeable
Shut the fuck up you dumb piece of shit
eat shit mother fucker
u mad
u fucking stupid