Edit: Don’t just downvote and run away, make your liberalism known. If you have an issue with either of these, please let them be known in the comments. C'mon, let's duke it out. :)

For the libs shouting "but muh anonymity", you should have zero issue using the "any pronoun" tag as you will be addressed with any pronouns regardless of whether or not you have it set. The point of having them sitewide is for everyone to use them to normalize explicitly stating one's pronouns as a means of not forcing trans people to request to be addressed with basic respect. The amount of pushback on a meaningful step toward trans inclusivity in this community is pretty fucking disheartening, not gonna lie.

Folks seem to be using the NSFW tag for the spoiler effect on memes, and while it's a funny use of it, it's causing the intended use of the NSFW tag to lose its value. This isn't r/WatchPeopleDie. Personally, I was exposed to that sort of content at a younger age and am desensitized to it now, but not everyone is like me in that regard and I'm probably more fucked up than I like to think for having been as exposed to it as I was. We currently don't have another way of tagging content, so please be considerate and put "[NSFL]" or content warnings in the title so people know they'll be looking at some heavy shit. Not a lot to ask. Please do not start ironically putting "[NSFL]" or other content warnings in the post title. You're more creative than that, I promise.

  • Awoo [she/her]
    2·
    4 years ago

    For the libs shouting “but muh anonymity”, you should have zero issue using the “any pronoun” tag as you will be addressed with any pronouns regardless of whether or not you have it set.

    Can we just make this standard and then if people don't like "any pronoun" they can either switch to an actual pronoun or shut the fuck up because there's no blank option?

    • the_river_cass [she/her]
      3·
      4 years ago

      that deals with the people getting misgendered part but 👀 the transphobia in this thread. that's a whole other thing we also have to deal with.

      • Awoo [she/her]
        2·
        4 years ago

        People in privileged positions advantaged by a system of hierarchy will pushback against anything that takes away their privileged position. In society as socialists we all agree that class-interests based on accumulated wealth affect people's politics, this occurs in other hierarchies too. Cis white men demonstrate a form of patriarchal-interest by pushing back against anything and everything that aims to chip away at the social system that advantages them - patriarchy.

        Leftists are not immune to this. It is why patriarchy continues to be an issue in socialist states and will continue to be an issue in any society that solves the class issue. It's also why class reductionism is ridiculous.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
          1·
          4 years ago

          fully agreed, I'm saying we can't avoid the struggle, as much as I'd love to burn this thread down and never step foot into another thread about pronouns ever again. so as much as you're right that we can reduce the pronoun problem, I'm not sure we serve ourselves well by eliminating the problem through edict rather than by engaging in the struggle.

          • Awoo [she/her]
            2·
            4 years ago

            The problem is that I'm not sure they will EVER change their tune until patriarchy is completely dismantled. They will act in their group-interest in much the same way liberals with enough wealth will act in their class interests.

            We can create class-traitors but we can't effectively achieve a change among them all without eliminating patriarchy altogether, at which point there will no longer be a "class interest" dynamic among the cis white men and they will no longer defend against the loss of the privileged position. They will default to the new normal social organisation of no-patriarchy existing at all.

            Unlike with economic class interests there's also no solution rooted in accelerationism or various wealth groups in society growing/shrinking or the kind of situation where it might be hard to achieve socialism in the core but easy within the periphery where class interests differ greatly. It's an absolutely monstrous battle when you consider it in that way and I suspect the ONLY way to resolve it is simply by authoritarian smashing of the patriarchy to establish the new norm and no amount of struggle will change people's minds to make them all go against their social-interests.

      • TransComrade69
        3·
        4 years ago

        Stupidpolism is liberalism. They can cope. :)

        • PartyMonster [they/them,any]
          1·
          4 years ago

          I will personally dox, hunt down, and execute every single stupidpol TERF on this site. :ak47: :AC-AnarKitty: :gui-trans:

    • Abraxiel
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      4 years ago

      Probably the easiest way to achieve the goal of pronoun display with the fewest people getting upset because they're being told what to do.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          I think that's the part that gets to me. "hey do this or you're a lib" is a personal attack that people are comparing to all kinds of shit. am I going foggy or is "you're a lib" one of the standard responses to people on this site?

          I'm kind of glad we didn't have the default and this happened. would have sucked to be blindsided by more serious transphobia later on while continuing to believe this place was the same as a couple of months ago (full-throatedly and unanimously in support of trans people).

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah this seems like a good compromise between people wanting to maintain anonymous status online and displaying pronouns. Yeah just have it default to "any pronoun" if the user doesn't pick one.