They were running against a batshit insane senile cheeto and couldn't win the election anyway. They refused to go left, they collaborate with devils like the cheneys and when we pointed out the writing on the wall, we were met with "russian disinformation farms" and "tankies" for having a fucking brain and seeing that moving right will not make racist sexist republicans vote for a black woman. And lo and behold, 94% of republicans voted for trump, FUCKING OBVIOUSLY. The only fucking reason Kamala didn't run on being progressive was because at the end of the day, there's no "lesser evil," and we've all been saying this for fucking ever, the democrats are genocidal capitalist ghouls, and they will support america's interests no matter how much blood is spilled and no matter how many people get stomped on by bigots controlling the white house, the senate, the supreme court (which the democrats just let get stocked with republicans) and probably the house too. And they don't care. "Just give us money and make sure to vote blue next election" before they slink off into the darkness and begin their political pickpocketing two years from now. FUCK, now queer and genderqueer and bipoc people in america have to live with the republicans doing whatever they want for the next four years because GOD FORBID THE DEMOCRATS LISTEN TO A SINGLE FUCKING HING THEIR CONSTITUENTS SAY INSTEAD OF PLUGGING THEIR EARS AND SCREAMING "VOTE!"
i hate it here. every one of you redditors that posted shit like "i'm on the right side of history" while you refuse to leverage your one single fucking scrap of political power in this shitty dictatorship. fuck lemmy.world, fuck reddit, fuck libs for soypogging for kamala's campaign and not using their eyes to see that there's no difference in the end, the ghouls are ghouls.
they aren't trying to win. they are the washington generals to the republicans' harlem globetrotters -- both sides know the result in advance and get paid by the same people to put on a show. once you reconceptualize electoralism in this way you won't have to be angry at them anymore
Death to America
Yeah it's this right here. This was probably the single most successful election in the Democrat party's history.
Election night was like an unskippable cutscene that was decided the moment the DNC torpedoed Bernie. Either they lose in 2020 or they megalose in 2024.
It's not even necessarily that, they could've given us some sliver of compromise in 2020 with someone like Julian Castro who should've had enough establishment cred from being in the Obama admin to be good enough for them but even he was too far too the left for the party leadership plus he committed the cardinal sin of pointing out that emperor Joe didn't wear his bathrobe to the debate so the media crucified him
They forced Genocide Joe on us as a way of mocking us and gaslighting the whole party into believing he isn't senile was probably a big joke to them until it blew up in their faces
I think a bigger part of us not getting someone like Klobuchar or Castro is any Democrat with an actual political career didn't want to be saddled with this loser election because the political climate is so hostile. Imagine being dumb enough to choose picking up where Genocide Joe left off with the "vibes based economy," Ukraine, and Gaza all still happening and bringing heat on your administration before you are even inaugurated. It's much safer (again, for their political careers) to grab the BlUe WaVe hype after a republican term.
get paid by the same people to put on a show
A show that functionally propagandizes the bourgeois conception of the nation. The point of the election isn’t just to elect a particular candidate, but to frame the country’s self-identity and worldview from the perspective of the ruling class.
I really get your anger, i hate the Dems too. I don't get your worry at Trump's win though, you know as well as i do the fearmongering the DNC tried to whip up is mostly projection and grift. "Under trump", the only thing that may fundamentally change is the coverage of the direction the govt is galloping towards no matter who's in office.
As much as we clown on
Trump was worse when it comes to drone strikes.There is an almost reflexive urge to downplay Trump around here, he is the one that set the course of heightened tensions with Iran, provided steadfast support for the Saudis war in Yemen and that moved the embassy to Jerusalem. He isn’t going to be good for the Middle East, hopefully the Ukrainian meat grinder will stop though.
There is an almost reflexive urge to downplay Trump around here,
You're right, i have the urge myself but it's that dagum DNC stretching credulity of his evil to a breaking point. Gonna be some snappin' back coming from here of all places. I didn't know Trump brought down the king of drones
The only other bit that is different is that Trump reeeally riles up the hogs, and vulnerable folks are more likely to face stochastic violence
As I understand it, Trump and Harris appeal to different strata of the bourgeoisie, so I feel like they will differ somewhat in other ways as well. The scope of these differences is obviously limited, but it's not nonexistent.
Pretty much; he emboldened the shit out of hate groups and far-right cranks, and there's no putting the lid back on that Pandora's box. Material conditions getting measurably worse under Biden sure as fuck didn't help either, but CHUD analysis doesn't really extend beyond "blue team bad."
if you're white it doesn't matter, sure. but racism is still a real thing, and rhetoric makes its way to material conditions.
Not challenging you; actually curious to know: was violence against vulnerable folks measurably higher under trump than during bidens term? I'll look after i hit send, dunno what terms will find me that info tho
Look up hate crime stats. There are plenty of articles about hate crimes increasing after Trump's first win. I'll never understand why leftists downplay Trump and his impact.
I just got back from searching DOJ and FBI statistics pages over Trump's and bidens terms and see a steady year-over-year increase of hair crime statistics. According to that data there was no real difference in the increase each year, looking at trumps 4 and the 4 following years.
From a trans violence specific page i saw a "record" number of trans deaths, (37) in 2020. 2023 statistics? 37 more trans deaths
Yeah but did you accout for all the peaceful protests against genocide being counted as antisemitic hate crimes?
Lololol but of course
.... My data is from before Oct 7 as 2024 isn't finished and those statistics aren't available (that i can easily find)
Yes, it's almost like trump winning the first time around made things worse and then those people who became more radicalized didn't just vanish when trump lost round 2
Look friend we're just talking here right? This aint .world. I'm saying regular shit we all accept right?
Biden and the Dems only pretend to help the disadvantaged but in effect do less than nothing to protect them, preferring to cozy up to money in every case and sense.
If Trump's presidency had an effect it would be in the data, but my (quick) analysis is that it does not, rather showing simply the deteriorating material conditions of the timeframe. I am more than ready to be presented with facts to the contrary, we aren't arguing, at all
From 2008/2009 until 2015/2016, hate crimes in the US were trending down. From 2016 until today, they have trended up. To me, the best explanation for this is the rightwing radicalization (and empowerment of the already radicalized) of many by the first trump campaign and subsequent presidency.
Outside of hate crimes, we can also see general increases in rightwing violence during this same period (at least according to the feds, not sure that we should even trust any of this data). I'm not saying electing a Dem fixes anything, I'm saying Trump being elected makes it worse because the people doing the hate crimes feel empowered.
Obama being elected also made it worse, but because the racists felt attacked by the very idea of a black person being prez and were reacting to that, which is why it slowly died down over time. Trump is still here and still actively engaging his base, he never stopped so the radicalization didn't stop either.
I'm not saying electing a Dem fixes anything, I'm saying Trump being elected makes it worse because the people doing the hate crimes feel empowered.
Yes, ok I see your point. I agree with you.
Look friend we're just talking here right? This aint .world. I'm saying regular shit we all accept right?
It's just talk to you but it's a more delicate subject to others.
If Trump's presidency had an effect it would be in the data, but my (quick) analysis is that it does not,
Your quick analysis literally shows an increase in hate crime stats starting from 2016. Right wing radicalization incited by Trump's rhetoric didn't go anywhere just because Democrats won something.
"proud boys" and "patriot front" regularly drove into [my city] to pick fights with anyone they thought looked weak and lefty, especially trans folk. they did "trump cruise" truck parades and shot paintballs from their windows at passers by. the fash get extremely emboldened when their guy is in office. he is a danger and his status as president gives these groups the "permission" they need to continue their violence. it is real.
I'm sorry, yeah I've been quite privileged never having been exposed to that shit, saltine shaped and large citied, that i am. I defer to your experience and wish a merry 'die' in their direction.
i am nervous that policy may be altered under a congress white house and supreme court stacked with republicans who historically implement anti-queer policies (see florida) that negatively affects me, my friends, my comrades, and my peers. it's not an unreasonable worry that, given the opportunity, laws may be passed that curtail the rights of queer people in america
this is the main thing that im worried about, specifically a federal ban on gender marker changes, a federal requirement to out trans and gay kids in schools, or a likely unsuccessful attempt at an hrt ban.
also afraid that bigots might be emboldened, but sounds like the stats say theyve always been emboldened since 2016.
No, of course not. I hope it doesn't seem as if I'm flippant about the situation we're in, it that I'm not worried for my brown and more obviously queer comrades. My point is (if i got one) that what I've learned in my time here is that tuesday wasn't some form in the road or wrong turn we just made (like the prevalent meme) but rather a on-way track we have been locked-in to, with no (electoral) outlet, this whole time.
While the outcome of the election might be shocking, thinking kamala's winning might have changed our world much? doesn't fit what i see in that data, or from news posts and comrades live's posted on hexbear.
I think we need to start considering they DNC threw the race. Like, they wanted trump to win for reasons and by acting like they are incompetent we are missing the bigger picture. I haven't quite figured the shape of it. I know they originally supported trump and those like him. They claimed they thought it would be easier for them to beat them. I think maybe this is the donors just creating an excuse to shift the Overton window right and get tax cuts and the like
I said it months ago here: establishment Dems love to lose. They still have all their power and privilege, none of the responsibilities, the GOP can make everything even more cushy and privileged for establishment like them, and they get to complain and blame everything on the GOP even while reaping the benefits.
Literally there are no downsides to establishment Dems losing to the GOP.
Idk, maybe it's possible from the super higher ups who decide the overall strategy, but I know the on-the-ground people tried their hardest. I know a couple Dem organizers and I feel so bad for them, they put their all into this campaign. I don't think they're able to be radicalized (they're not like Mayor Pete here on hexbear, doing it for a job, they're dyed in the wool libs), but if they are, I'm going to wait awhile before offering my opinions. They're in a bad way right now and just likely to lash out until some time passes and the emotions calm down.
I find it easier to believe that they thought they could go right and get more people put off by Trump's rudeness. They saw Biden's victory in 2020 and Dem victories in 2022 and thought that was the right strategy to win. And seeing the US right now, I get it. Turns out, it's a super racist place begging for fascism.
Yeah, I honestly cannot understand the mind of a true beliver liberal anymore. I have no doubt the DNC loves the useful idiots but it has to be that once you hit a high enough point it is all cynical operators with varying levels of awareness of their actions.
You think they'd be shedding them with every failed election. Wonder if they'll lose any from this one.
Given how many fewer votes kamala got than than biden I think that is the case
Kamala didn't even have the decency to lie and say she's do something serious about price gouging, housing prices, etc. Nothing that could potentially slow the donations, now or in the future.
They saw that some voters were open to populist economic policies, but against progressive social policies and made the decision to be more reactionary. It's such a dumb strategy to think you'll outdo Republicans in an "I hate minorities" contest. They made a deliberate choice to take that long-shot strategy over doing something for the working class. They couldn't even lie about doing it.
There is a political strategist industrial complex that is beholden to donations, their wealth is tied to keeping the money rolling in over everything else, including winning elections. They can't even pretend to threaten the ruling class for fear of those donations slowing, now or in the future.
It's like watching your manager eat shit because they thought people actually enjoyed their "leadership style." It's like demanding that I vote for a pizza party when the opposition is offering to punch my manager in the face (while, of course, your boss gets richer no matter what). If I didn't have an education in communism fall like providence from the magical good rectangle and tell me to install linux, then red-brown alliance would really hit the spot.
