something for you libs who still believe in electoralism

  • Smeagolicious [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Whether or not you think that a Biden vote is harm reduction, the portrayal of the non voter/third party voter argument as "buh buh buh revolution...?" is pretty tired. When Joe has promised to be tougher on the "enemies" of the US than Trump, had credible allegations of rape against him, and has also blamed China for the virus... I'm just sick of all the left adjacent super popular breadtubers calling people's reasonable trepidations about voting "larping ". You can make arguments for harm reduction, this video isn't that.

    • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      you see if you are a leftists that wants real structural change and has lost faith in bourgeois democracy, you are a larper

    • FailsonSimulator2020 [any]
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      4 years ago

      LARPing is when you’re not a pseudosocialist petit bourgeoise entertainment brand who preaches incrementalism to further self-interested careerism.

    • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      i expected more to be honest, i used to watch her content a while ago, i guess that makes me a lib.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      They're not really "arguments" though. They're attacks.

      The entire video is designed in such a way that it isn't intended to convince anyone, it's just intended to create maximum white noise on the internet by pissing off the people she's turned into a caricature and talked down to as children the entire time.

      The only people it will appeal to are the people that agree with it. Everyone she attacks in the video is supposed to be maximum-triggered so they share the video as much as possible and it gets discussed angrily far and wide.

      Nothing about it is intended to actually convince anyone it is reaching out to. Nobody that is presented as Tabi-chan is going to be happy and convinced by this presentation. She has no intention of helping the election and every intention of just grifting off of it. It is made in such a way that a bunch of libs in a bubble can huff their own farts and scoff at one another.

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          4 years ago

          Tabi makes frequent appearances? I'll be honest I've only watched maybe 7 or 8 of her major big videos before deciding I really don't like or support her and none of them included Tabi. That just makes it even worse to be honest, a long running grift with no actual intention of reaching out to the people she's criticising, just pandering to liberals. It's no wonder her entire audience is this synthetic left liberal with leftist aesthetics shit...

          These people are all just "woke liberalism" translated leftwards to wear leftist aesthetics because being a leftist is now the "woke" thing. They don't actually agree with or want anything leftist but want to appear like good and woke people so they wear leftist apparel. Synthetic left.

          • ComradeMikey [he/him]
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            it used to be more of a socratic dialogue where tabi provided valid criticism to the liberal justine or fascist (I forgot her name). it could almost be taken charitably then or written off as a tongue in cheek meme. Now its a straw man which is unfortunate

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              It's so terribly obvious that she utterly hates Tabi. She does not disguise her loathing one bit.

              • ComradeMikey [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                agreed, i gave her a pass when justine was supposed to be a character not just her own opinion stand in

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    it's pretty telling that her list of things that Hillary wouldn't have done that Trump did was literally 100% symbolic actions.

    I feel like a certain part of Twitter gets way too mad at ContraPoints over the most specious shit imaginable, but if she gets dunked on for her lukewarm takes in this video she deserves it. im gonna vote gloria la riva, and I suggest you do too.

      • FRIENDLY_BUTTMUNCHER [she/her]
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        It's about to be 6-3 . The Supreme Court is fucked now unless Biden wants to impoach/add justices, and we both know that he won't.

      • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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        It's not worth fighting back on this site. Any advocacy for voting for Biden is downvoted here.

        I didn't vote for him, but you're right. The things she listed were "symbolic" in the way symbolism influences the nation's actions.

        Supporting anti-maskers is "symbolic" but then goes and kills thousands more people and stretches a pandemic for months longer.

  • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Natalie has me convinced and I will be voting my conscious this election by Voting Blue No Matter Who™ and casting my ballot for

    HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

  • Owl [he/him]M
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    4 years ago

    Sorry, I'm going to have to close this thread because it breaks the !videos comm rules. As you can clearly see in the sidebar, this place is "Breadtube if it didn’t suck."

    • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      sorry i expected better when i posted it, but after watching it its probably for the best

      • Owl [he/him]M
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        I haven't actually watched it either >_>

        I just wanted to do the joke where I pretend to actually moderate.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    Natalie, if you want to vote for Biden, great. Do it. It's just... not going to matter. It won't matter if Trump or Biden is president. I mean Jesus, Biden isn't even proposing to fully repeal Trump's tax cuts despite them being overwhelmingly unpopular. Oh sure he came up with a "climate plan" after he got the nomination but if he even gets 5% of it passed I'll eat my hat. You and I both know even if the Dems win both houses of congress and the presidency, they'll pass a few window-dressing measures about strengthening institutions, but otherwise they'll sit on their hands for 2 years until Republicans come in and take both houses back.

    Biden wins and we make zero progress on climate change, health care, income inequality, policing, LGBTQ rights, etc. Virtually no one's material conditions will be different in 4 years whether Trump is president or Biden is. It doesn't matter. I'm voting for Howie ostensibly because I want to send a message about the importance of climate change but even I admit it's pretty weak and won't really do anything. I'm voting because it makes me feel good to support leftist candidates where I can and there are some propositions/amendments in my state that actually matter.

    • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      dont forget that biden's platform is that trump is a bad imperialist and that he would be harsher on the venezuelans and koreans.

      • Lando [any]
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        This one really scares me, I think Biden might actually pull some shit on Venezuela.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      I mean it matters in the sense our tactics change and the focuses of struggle. Everything else not so much.

  • fuschiaRuler [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Just finished and all i can think is that "breadtube" is now collectively trying to backpedal their propaganda efforts (just somemorenews and now contra that i know of). But for this vid specifically, it felt like a shitty, forced "debunk" of leftist talking points when it comes to apathy for voting.

    • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I mean, for Contra is this really a "backpedal"? She's never been that left.

    • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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      i feel the somemorenews video was better, his video was biden was bad but trump is worse, and not having a straw-man leftists to dunk in

    • vanityfairz [he/him]
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      Why are they backpedalling now? It's weird to see both SMN and now contra put out the same sort of video within a few days

  • vanityfairz [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    No idea who this video is made for, libs who follow her are already voting and if you're already not going to vote for Biden I fail to see how any argument she makes will change your mind

      • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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        Exactly, you don't make your strawman character a catgirl tankie on Twitter, then mock that character and expect it to convince leftists of your view.

    • Bob [he/him,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      because libs who already voted like feeling morally superior and this video tells them this

  • snackage [he/him]
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    People used to get mad at me when I said Natalie kinda sucked. All I have to say: another notch in the win column for MLs.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      I'll take my turn in the barrel. I defended her before, but this video is indefensible. I was wrong.

    • bewts [he/him,comrade/them]
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      another notch in the win column for MLs

      lol, arguing over stupid youtubers is DEFINITELY praxis