I don't shame people who voted for him out of lesser evil bullshit, do what you feel you gotta do, but goddamn will I lose negative amounts of sleep having not voted this election. What an unapologetic racist piece of shit.
Is there really no one downballot to vote, or some sort of ballot proposition that needs votes for where you live? At least for me that's almost always been the case.
I got to vote for Sunday alcohol sales in my city a few years ago and it passed. Shit like that matters. It’s a reason my city only has shitty restaurants because alcohol sales keep apt of places open.
It's a double edged sword. I'm absolutely convinced after another failed Democratic presidency 2024 the right will win with Tom Cotton. It will be so fucking easy too, the stock market will be down cause of covid and nothing will fundamentaly change and shit will keep getting worse and it's the typical perfect storm for the right to swoop in talking about national debt again lol
I definitely am sympathetic to the narrative that Biden will pave the way for The Competent Fascist, whoever that ends up being (Cotton is certainly a contender, though he's a bit of a charisma black hole). Honestly the way I look at it is, the weight of our individual vote in a vacuum (i.e. assuming we're not campaigning or voting as part of a larger bloc) is way, way overstated in the discourse (especially from the liberal seats), so I try not to overthink or stress my decision too much. It helps that I live in a reeeeeeelatively blue state, though not necessarily the bluest.
That said, the thing that tips me away from feeling comfortable even tactically voting for Biden is that, as far as I can tell, he is likely to be at least as bad as Trump on imperialism - and to my mind, capitalist imperialism (specifically from the US) is the greatest evil/cause of global suffering in the world today. It's not something I'm comfortable compromising on, even with something as low-to-no-impact as a single vote.
Right there with you. I live in CA so my vote for president has never mattered. It's just a shit fucking situation and we're all the losers no matter who wins
Just look at what happened after Obama. The rise of the tea party tapped into the very scenario I just described. The national debt is how the right tries to reclaim the idea they are somehow better for material conditions, because morons still believe national debt both matters and believe I trickle down economics. The economy is going to be in shambles for awhile, coronavirus is not going away anytime soon, if not actually get worse due to people's dying desire to go back to "normal." It's already happening, more recorded single day cases have happened than any other recorded time in the last week.
Joe Biden is and will be much worse in imperialism and foreign policy. As I said, it's a double edged sword, no matter who wins the people still loose. They are both bad in similar and slightly different ways.
Well then how about you tell them: "I won't/didn't vote for him because you were the most fucking annoying cunts ever about it"? Or, you know, explain the actual reasons.
For someone with such rigid principles, why do you roll over so easily?
Who says my principles are rigid? I just know they could tell if I was bullshiting them.
Its great if all or frankly any of your IRL friends are comrades but my entire family and social circle are full of libs. If I actually believed my vote would have some kind of impact or that there were even genuine stakes to this thing I'd do that....but I agree with Christman that at this point thinking there's some way to be strategic or any point in being "principled" is just naive.
Aside from me just further alienating myself from my social group, what am I accomplishing? I've got years of bitching about him to them to look forward to eitherway.
It's fair enough to realize your vote doesn't matter. Depending on your state, it does nothing and even in a swing state it basically doesn't matter at all.
I am dubious about them finding out you are lying about it though. I mean, how often do you think this will come up after the vote is done? I really doubt your friends will keep asking you if you really voted for Joe after the vote is concluded. And I disagree that there is no point in being principled. I know being principled also does nothing for the outcome of this vote, but sticking to your convictions is good for your own head, while being browbeat into voting like your friends so they still like you isn't.
I don't shame people who voted for him out of lesser evil bullshit, do what you feel you gotta do, but goddamn will I lose negative amounts of sleep having not voted this election. What an unapologetic racist piece of shit.
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o7 I hope u have good or at least interesting dreams w/ that extra sleep
Is there really no one downballot to vote, or some sort of ballot proposition that needs votes for where you live? At least for me that's almost always been the case.
I got to vote for Sunday alcohol sales in my city a few years ago and it passed. Shit like that matters. It’s a reason my city only has shitty restaurants because alcohol sales keep apt of places open.
should have written in kim jong un
I mean there's still time for me to change my mind - though I'm more of a "Fidel's Ghost" kinda guy
you can write me in
I'll give it serious thought - though so others don't feel left out, I feel like it'd have to be "all my beautiful chacha posters" or similar
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It's a double edged sword. I'm absolutely convinced after another failed Democratic presidency 2024 the right will win with Tom Cotton. It will be so fucking easy too, the stock market will be down cause of covid and nothing will fundamentaly change and shit will keep getting worse and it's the typical perfect storm for the right to swoop in talking about national debt again lol
I definitely am sympathetic to the narrative that Biden will pave the way for The Competent Fascist, whoever that ends up being (Cotton is certainly a contender, though he's a bit of a charisma black hole). Honestly the way I look at it is, the weight of our individual vote in a vacuum (i.e. assuming we're not campaigning or voting as part of a larger bloc) is way, way overstated in the discourse (especially from the liberal seats), so I try not to overthink or stress my decision too much. It helps that I live in a reeeeeeelatively blue state, though not necessarily the bluest.
That said, the thing that tips me away from feeling comfortable even tactically voting for Biden is that, as far as I can tell, he is likely to be at least as bad as Trump on imperialism - and to my mind, capitalist imperialism (specifically from the US) is the greatest evil/cause of global suffering in the world today. It's not something I'm comfortable compromising on, even with something as low-to-no-impact as a single vote.
Here's a hot take for you, it's possible The Competent Fascist will be Kamala.
oh shit oh fuck
Thesis: mask off brutal fascism
Antithesis: well managed faux-woke neoliberalism
Synthesis: Harris administration 🤮
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Right there with you. I live in CA so my vote for president has never mattered. It's just a shit fucking situation and we're all the losers no matter who wins
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Honest question: How is this not a slippery slope fallacy? I'm guessing it has to do with materialism.
Just look at what happened after Obama. The rise of the tea party tapped into the very scenario I just described. The national debt is how the right tries to reclaim the idea they are somehow better for material conditions, because morons still believe national debt both matters and believe I trickle down economics. The economy is going to be in shambles for awhile, coronavirus is not going away anytime soon, if not actually get worse due to people's dying desire to go back to "normal." It's already happening, more recorded single day cases have happened than any other recorded time in the last week.
Joe Biden is and will be much worse in imperialism and foreign policy. As I said, it's a double edged sword, no matter who wins the people still loose. They are both bad in similar and slightly different ways.
I think that if we do nothing fascism will rise. But we have the power to agitate.
Voted for Biden just to get my lib friends off my back. I deserve to lose more sleep then you do comrade.
That’s when you take advantage of the secret ballot.
Only thing I'm worse at then judging character is lying.
Well then how about you tell them: "I won't/didn't vote for him because you were the most fucking annoying cunts ever about it"? Or, you know, explain the actual reasons.
For someone with such rigid principles, why do you roll over so easily?
Who says my principles are rigid? I just know they could tell if I was bullshiting them.
Its great if all or frankly any of your IRL friends are comrades but my entire family and social circle are full of libs. If I actually believed my vote would have some kind of impact or that there were even genuine stakes to this thing I'd do that....but I agree with Christman that at this point thinking there's some way to be strategic or any point in being "principled" is just naive.
Aside from me just further alienating myself from my social group, what am I accomplishing? I've got years of bitching about him to them to look forward to eitherway.
It's fair enough to realize your vote doesn't matter. Depending on your state, it does nothing and even in a swing state it basically doesn't matter at all.
I am dubious about them finding out you are lying about it though. I mean, how often do you think this will come up after the vote is done? I really doubt your friends will keep asking you if you really voted for Joe after the vote is concluded. And I disagree that there is no point in being principled. I know being principled also does nothing for the outcome of this vote, but sticking to your convictions is good for your own head, while being browbeat into voting like your friends so they still like you isn't.
You need to learn how to lie, or keep shit to yourself.
Then, after you send in your ballot, you can be all "You thought you had a lib, but it was me, Dio!" or some shit. Step your game up, son!
Nobody has to vote for Biden.
Even that person yesterday who has loads of good reasons has the option of lying about it.
Unironically, the most important position I voted for was school board this year. Got to vote all the mask denying assholes out.