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  • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
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    I remember when I'd get downvoted for saying that the intercept sucked and that the best source for US covert ops was the grayzone

    those were the days

    • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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      The grayzone isnt especially different from the intercept. It's not like Max Blumenthal and co are Marxists.

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          That might be true now, but that definitely wasn't true in 2018 when I was hearing a bunch of criticism towards them from PSL members.

          • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
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            Nah. They've been in PSL for a while. Not all Marxists agree with each other it turns out...

            • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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              The criticism was that they weren't Marxist, and in turn had some very weird views as it related to Syria because of that. But yeah, it is true that people on the left love to throw shit at each other.

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        I mean idk if they're Marxists but they're anti-imperialists which makes them 100x better than the Intercept. I honestly can't see how you'd think they're the same thing. The only weird thing I've seen from them is anti-cancel culture stuff and some mild Tulsi defending. I can understand them fearing cancel culture though, since it would likely be institutionalist libs canceling them for antisemitism over criticisms of Zionism or something.

        • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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          Idk, my opinions on them are based on some fairly old stuff, they have changed a bit over the years and it's probably unfair I'm not giving credit to them for that. They absolutely have a history that involved them toeing the imperialist line on Syria though.

          • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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            I didn't know who they were until Syria was out of the news cycle. What was their cringe Syria take?

            • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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              Basically just repeating a fuck ton of CIA type shit about Assad, everything from stuff about chemical weapons to the rape of children.

            • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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              Norton and Blumenthal used to do CIA takes on Assad, then suddenly changed when Greyzone was founded. I like their stuff but I do think that was very strange.

              • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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                I mean maybe they've grown politically? Or maybe they really are paid by Russia like the libs say. If that were the case I wouldn't really care lol. I just can't see it being a US op. They seem to counter US interests constantly and are viewed positively by our enemies. I'd say the accusation of opportunism holds more weight, but tbh I don't think it really matters if it doesn't manifest in an Imperialist or reactionary way.

          • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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            Yeah, Greyzone puts out fantastic and thought provoking stuff, but Blumenthal and Norton seemed to suddenly switch Syria positions when Greyzone was created. I think they genuinely could have changed views, but that was really weird.

            • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              The way they act so online sometimes and directly scrutinize other media outlets makes me incredibly skeptical given their own path of not always getting things exactly right. It's not right that they go around calling the intercept an op.

              I used to think they adopted these positions because it appealed to a specific niche of the left, but I have seen them be given real respect from like actual world leaders so my opinion is changing slowly.