Is it just me or does the claim that "working class people vote against their interests because they believe they'll be millionaires one day" smack of lib condescension and not actually how most working class people think? I don't know anyone who thinks this way. But I DO know a lot of working class folks who:
- don't bother voting because they think it doesn't do anything anyway
- are too exhausted from working 2-3 jobs to even have the energy to care about voting
- can't take off work to vote or risk being late cause they'll get fired
Sure, I do know some people who vote against their interests on religious grounds or they view their identity as an X as more important than class interests. And the capital class has done a great job of convincing middle class folks that all taxes are bad so when there's talk of tax increase on the wealthy they think somehow it will apply to them. But those people pale compare to the non-voters who would vote in their interests if the deck wasn't stacked against them so much. Either way, there really aren't that many people who think "we better not raise taxes on millionaires because I'll be one one day".
IMO it's less "I'm gonna be rich" than it is "people who are rich deserve to be rich." The American dream is still alive to a degree, more in the sense that some mythical workaholic genius could become rich regardless of circumstance.
It's really annoying. At least the feudals trained for hours a day from childhood in movement and dance and speech to project a false aura of otherworldly grace and power
The USA is enthralled by a yelly white guy slumping in a hoodie and it's embarrassing.
I think also a lot of the poorer folk who vote Republican tend to be in pretty low-capital areas of the country. It's a lot easier to vote to let capital fuck you over when the alternative is no jobs for miles around.
I live in a pretty low capital area and I think this is right. Though, campaign signs are about 50-50 so far. It saddens me to see a rundown house plastered with Trump stuff though, and there are lots.
Reminds me of the time I overheard a homeless guy in McDonalds telling his friend, "The only thing keeping me going right now is Trump."
I wonder if they were the type that saw Trump as a means to destroy the legitimacy of the status quo, no matter the means (ends justify the means style). I suppose that'd make them an accelerationist. Though, they probably didn't consider that if certain people took charge of the admin then homeless people would be ferried off to the nearest gas chamber for disposal.
Sucks seeing close friends that were all for Bernie talk endlessly about how excited they are to vote Biden and how important it is. All for measly, worthless NY votes too.
You have my sympathies. I have friends who are voting for Biden but none that are fucking happy about it. That’s rough
Same. My partner and I have basically told our family of staunch Warrenites that neither of us were gonna vote for Biden (which, mind you, isn't a surprise, I told hem this last freaking year when he announced). They flipped out and we told them to make their case for Biden and even with that easy af assignment, they cannot come up with anything that isn't 'He's not Trump.' It came up again last week with Biden's anarchist statements and they were all like 'Welllll, we don't think he'll actually jail you so it's actually still all okay."
Yeah, the fact that it's basically gotten no play is extremely frustrating. Partner's fam are largely academic-type libs who don't necessarily go beyond nyt for news, so the fact that it didn't come to them from there means it's non-news (with a low-key vibe of 'you're larping at anarchism, honey' thrown in).
Honestly I've felt so out of the loop on this shit since chapo got banned. I'm not on twitter and absolutely no one except us ever talks about this shit
Welllll, we don’t think he’ll actually jail you
The liberalism is off the fucking charts.
I know, right? Same convo my MiL told my partner that Chomsky couldn't be an anarchist because he was a linguist. Like, wut
Linguistics have rules, anarchists don't like rules, therefore you can't be an anarchist and a linguist at the same time!
Checkmate lefties!
Also WTF about Biden’s comments regarding anarchists? Maybe I’ve been too offline but what is going on with that? I saw it mentioned briefly on some majority report video but he wants to jail anarchists????
yeah his full statement was blah blah peaceful protesters good but arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted. He used them in the same phrasing literally comparing a political ideology to criminals. That's straight up fascism
Eh, fascism involves a strongman leader and a militant street presence. Who the fuck is fighting in the streets for Biden 😂
He can always Pinochet or Macron it. A paycheque can substitute for enthusiasm.
He's bringing back the gangs that snap their fingers and sing songs except only all boomers and gen x libs
Nah, not really. Joe Biden doesn't think of anarchism as a political ideology. It was not scary and precise language. It was terribly imprecise, as is everything Biden has said during this entire presidential campaign.
He's a raging POS. shrug I'm less shocked that he said it and more that everybody else is like 'Yeah, that sounds okay.'
I think only a very small minority of the population even know what anarchism actually means(pretty sure Biden doesn't know either), most just seem to equal the word to absolute chaos, so they think he just wants to be tough on the rioters and people who create chaos.
Wow I have to look into this because I literally don’t know much about this. But yes I agree, I’m not surprised he said it. Lol @ anyone who tells me a vote for this dick is a vote for harm reduction
Ugh yeah it’s just gross with family. That’s a whole other thing with me. I do have enthusiastic Biden supporters in my family but idk they just kind of observe my social media and don’t interact much. It’s just on their stuff.
Luckily no one in my immediate family is trying to scold me over anything but I have a large extended family who probably would if I chose to engage them one on one.
It’s also very funny to try and get Biden folks to give just one reason that isn’t “he’s not trump” to vote for that cretin.
The fact that after four years and all the primary circus, this 80 year old shambling corpse is the best they could come up with. Pathetic. Real last days of Rome shit.
I'm still convinced that Buttigieg is actually a robot. There's just something so deeply unsettling about him.
His dad attempted to create New Soviet Man but it went terribly terribly wrong.
My running theory is that Castro was the chosen successor had Hillary stomped like they had originally planned. He's got so much of that Obama charm you can just tell he was one of the lab experiments they accidentally spilled chemical X into
If you weren’t living in a fucking cave the last several weeks starting with George Floyd’s death, then I don’t see how voting Biden isn’t the most important act of harm reduction?
When this started all I wanted was Healthcare. Now I want to crush capitalism.
Turns out you had to do the second to get the first.
How is the USA so fucked up that "maybe don't have millions of newly evicted people die frozen on the streets, choking plague miasma on each other as they huddle together around a trash fire for their last moments" became a radical transitional program?
The only thing more surprising is the low uptake of that transitional programme.
it's amazing how much better it feels shooting the shit on here compared to like giving myself brainworms from twitter
It's just great being in a place where all the tendencies can be libs together and the struggle sessions don't matter.
i've missed these megathreads so much, twitter and discord give me cancer
white privilege was a systemic lie
he's just a class reductionist Marxist
Is it just me or does every single headline from big media corps seem fake as fuck right now? Not literally factually incorrect but things that don't matter or with obvious slants. Browsing big MSM sites like CNN, MSNBC, NYtimes rn, here's the top stories:
- Trump isn't doing shit
- Congress still doing shit either
- Some Pelosi vid, okay who cares
- Sportsball
- Police gearing up video
- Hong Kong
- Biden Consent Manfacturing
- Some big brains got sick with Covid-19 after doing poorly thought out stuff
- Biden VP stuff
- Clearly Overblown TikTok bs, which seems to just out there to manufacture consent for US agencies have more avenue to people's data
Meanwhile, in reality, something like 10% of the country is food insecure at the moment and something like 24% is having trouble paying rent. And Covid-19 is still spreading and killing people. And i just cannot summon up even one fuck to care about whatever lies politicians are trying to sell us on why they can't help us, the people that pay their actual fucking salaries.
What would be weird is if you read the news and didn't see that.
So many problems would disappear overnight if reporting wasn't on lockdown by monied interests.
Gotta say, feels real good to be drunk and on drugs, running on no sleep, checking into the Chapo Megathread again.
I’m 6’3”. I fantasize about pretending to be a big conservative, going up to Ben Shapiro after one of his nattering talks, and just bear hugging him and lifting him from the ground like a child. After setting him down, I’ll unravel a tape ruler that I was hiding in my hand to show how tall he is definitively.
Is it problematic to be short? No. Is it problematic to lie about it? Not really. Is there a massive logical disconnect in your brain when you accuse trans people of denying biological reality while you, in fact, lie about your height by a significant margin constantly? Absofuckinglutely yes, and that’s why I want to do this.
That means you've probably never had someone pick you up? I love to do that.
i feel personally attacked ny this thread
but it was still cute
So folks, I set up a Chapo Mega Archive come check it out, the key is in the link ChapoChat Theory Archive Edit: Give me Suggestions on what to add, if you can help great, we'll figure out how to upload stuff to it together
Add practical shit. How to organise a union, talk to other workers, set up guérilla spaces, make wheat paste, make stencils, make molotovs, protect yourself, etc.
Sticking the Earth First 3rd Ed manual of direct action in there would be good.
Libcom had some decent articles, Plan on adding Mao and Che's books on Guerilla warfare. I could put the 2000 edition or og cookbook and just start cutting up the col bits.
I've been doing that, marxists.org, the anarchist library, libcom.org and need to expand to others
I think this is pretty good: Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching
I’m on my phone, so can you stick it in?
Apparently the group took a dogshit turn, but their NVDA stuff is top notch. I know we like to fetishise violence here, but nonviolent resistance is a good way of building public sympathy, at least to a degree.
No worries have already added it to the general info section, at some point may need to get some fake accounts to expand the size of the drive, because I might add some audiobooks to the mix
Not the original commenter, was more saying that it should definitely be added, but sick thanks
Done that and added a couple of other books like ML Manufacturing Consent
Look it was what I knew of the top of my head and its my main ideology ok, Rosa is bae
There's either a good couch joke or a good "I'm the most left out of all you liberals" jab in here somewhere.
I’m just so happy to be chilling with my cat and on this mega thread again
It's okay to just chill out and not work sometimes. You didn't accomplish the chores you wanted but sometimes you just need a rest instead. That's nothing to be ashamed of.
Let's dispel with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing
