seeing both libs and chuds taking turns freaking out over the results has been fun, but the high can only last so long
i dont kno about u guys but i dont think we’ll be doing much laughing over politics for a long time...it didnt rly sink in for me until tonight but this is literally the worst outcome, i did not consider a scenario with Biden and a GOP senate, i dont think anyone did post covid it seemed like an assumption he would win the senate if he won in a presumed landslide
this is the worst of both worlds, all the worst most insufferable ppl are validated by Biden’s “electability” over Bernie and we have no path to push for Dems to actually do something to improve ppl’s lives
it’s like Bernie/the left lost twice from both sides and it fucking sucks
Yeah, as if Biden would have done anything with a blue Senate.
This is the excuse they wanted.
Exit polls are the only way to kind of figure how voters think. And even then it's a crap shoot.
A guest pundit on CNN told Chris Hayes the Dem Party is woefully out of touch and elitist, so that's nice.
the narrative I’m seeing is damage control for Dems losing the Senate as if they were not heavily favored to win and that Biden was a uniquely good and only he could have flipped GA, AZ, etc
and blaming Bernie the left for Florida and everything else
"Andrew Yang was on the panel making decent points, considering he’s a libertarian, and rebutted that point saying specifically that these words are hard coded to dumb definitions and that democrats need to get back to talking to the working class about material issues like their labor and making sure they’re taken care of."
Nah, they're gonna triple down and try to stomp us into centrist scumbags. Go to war with your base, great idea, see y'all at the guillotine :)
I don't feel confident that I even know which outcome is the worst anymore. America is walking through a political minefield and the only discussion now is about whether it's better to beeline straight across or sort of zig zag around.
Biden + Republican Senate = hypercharged imperialism plus economic violence against the American people in the name of pragmatism... not even to mention the kind of national security laws they're going to pass to target the left and anyone with an anti-imperialist thought in their head. Those outside the US lose, those inside lose.
I remain convinced the best case would have been Trump winning another term but Dems taking the Senate for maximum infighting, division, and internal strife.
Those outside the US lose, those inside lose. Yes but on the bright side, we both lose half as bad as their energy is split between us, so there's that. I remain convinced the best case would have been Trump winning another term but Dems taking the Senate for maximum infighting, division, and internal strife. same
How much does it really matter how this plays out? Our lives won't become any better in any material sense.
You should have come to the conclusion that top down politics will never work after Sanders lost. It will never happen. Only a bottom up party takeover, or an entirely new militant labor organization shutting down the economy will achieve anything (or outright military coup but that's not possible).
This result is what the libs want. They can say 'Look Centrism won leftists are wrong' and then blame Republicans for no progress. Or blame austerity on Republicans. Biden is going to be Jimmy Carter all over again.
You should have come to the conclusion that top down politics will never work after Sanders lost.
SO MUCH YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why are people still so illusioned??!? They rigged the fucking primary..in front of our eyes..twice! And admitted to it in court! (explodes)
I don't know that I would have trusted Biden + a Dem Senate to get any change done, no matter how inconsequential it would be to everyday people. Obamacare was the crowning accomplishment of Obama + a Dem Congress, so its hard for me to believe that Biden would have done much more than that.
What worries me more is that a Biden victory would validate the Dems "Republican Lite" strategy and having a Republican Senate will give them a built in excuse for not doing anything at all. Not only that I fear that Biden really will try and go the austerity route to appease Republicans.
the goal/hope/case for leftists voting Biden was to protest Biden and the Dems on day 1 and grassroots pressure to stop a repeat of Obama’s first 2 years
fuck Chomsky and anyone who listened to him tbh
Leave him alone he's 90 something.
The people who listened to him need their brains checked.
Yeah, it's a naive idea to believe. Especially when you consider that Obama and the Dems brushed aside a number of grassroots movements (Occupy, BLM, Dakota Access Pipeline).
I disagree, it would have been hard, but we would know Biden was a Republican from the start unlike being fooled with fake progressive Obama and Bernie would have been a major force of leadership for the left to organize a real resistance Obama never had
That was always the case in all possible outcomes once Biden got wheeled through the primary on a gurney.
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Bernie is controlled opposition and although his politics improve our lives now, they always walk the reforms back and underdeveloped nations suffer for our weakness. Revolution not reform.
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They both take orders from the same assholes running the country, the party doesn't make a difference, real change is by going through them not by sitting at a table with them.
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Yeah Biden sucks
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The top video on r/videos has a comment section primed for a little class consciousness. https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/joup6j/they_dont_want_wellinformed_welleducated_people/
To me that's encouraging.
Laughing at raging chuds is honestly bringing a bit of joy into my shitty life right now and I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.
this is like if the response to the 2008 financial crisis was Biden starting his Presidency in Obama’s last 2 years
I wonder how seriously the Repubs in the Senate are going to take the rehash of being 100% obstructionist during Obama's 6 years. If so, them maybe... just maybe, if Biden is for something stupid that the Repubs should agree with, they'll reflexively reject it.
Like, I have vague memories of Biden as VP arguing FOR damaging Social Security and Medicare but the Repubs reflexively rejected it because it would have been a WIN for Obama.
Soooo... maybe the best thing electorally is just total gridlock. Still really unhappy about what is likely to happen next election though.
Like, I have vague memories of Biden as VP arguing FOR damaging Social Security and Medicare but the Repubs reflexively rejected it because it would have been a WIN for Obama.
He did, and they did. As the article notes, they took his methodology and applied it to various other benefit programs though.
Thanks Mr. Most Progressive Candidate ever!
