• regul [any]
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    1 year ago

    internet weirdo invents new irreconcilable political position, demands people yell at them

    tale as old as time

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    The liberals reading this with a what-the-hell expression feel exactly the same way as I do whenever I see lgbt people supporting capitalism.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Not just lgbtq but all marginalised people. Capitalists are incentivised to create and exploit marginalised people under capitalism. They are not incentivised to solve marginalisation because marginalised people have conditions that make them easier to exploit for lower wages and worse conditions.

        Whether it's patriarchy which has always held 50% of the population as property of men for free labour and exploitation, or more recently the gender wage gap. Or whether it's racism, where the marginalised suffer worse conditions, maltreatment, poor wages and a tougher time. Or whether it's lgbtq people where their marginalisation has a 22% wage/earnings gap with hetero/cis people. (don't get me started on sex work or being trans and renting or applying for jobs)

        Capitalists gain from exploitation of marginalised groups. You will not liberate any marginalised group fully under a system incentivised to exploit others as marginalised people are ripe for exploitation. If you do liberate one group they are incentivised to create another or shift the burden to an existing one.

        The liberation of marginalised people can only come with liberation from a system incentivised to create marginalised people. Various pressures we create achieve concessions for marginalised groups but that's all they will ever be, concessions to prevent us overturning the system entirely.

        • Lurker123 [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Gay men in the us earn more than similarly qualified straight men. This suggest it has more to do with gender identity specifically, rather than lgbtq broadly.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_wage_gap#:~:text=Individual%20gay%20men%20earn%2010,less%20than%20heterosexual%20married%20couples.

          • blobjim [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            That article specifically says "Men in same-sex marriages". I feel like "openly gay men who are married" rules out a lot of poor people.

            Doesn't take away from the point about the gender pay gap though.

            • Lurker123 [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Apologies if I'm missing it, but it looks like the claim isn't specific to men in same-sex marriages.

              "Individual gay men earn 10% more than straight men with similar education, experience and job profiles,[2][3] and individual gay men who are married have a significantly higher median income than heterosexual married men.[4]"

              I read this as unmarried gay men make 10% more than unmarried straight men, and the number is even higher than 10% for those who are married.

      • windowlicker [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        a large part of the origin of queerphobia is the rise of capitalism. the shift to the bourgeois-proletariat class separation and especially industrial revolution created the conditions for it. capitalists pushed the family unit, imposed on each worker, consisting of one man, one woman, and several children, to have efficient reproduction for more workers. this pushed specific gender roles for men and women, and then the (often violent) repression of people who fell outside of that standard family unit, such as trans, gender-nonconforming, or homosexual people. this is why bourgeois oppression is interlinked with queerphobia and cishetero oppression and the necessary route for queer liberation is through the destruction of the force that originally brought much of it.

  • Cynetri (he/any)@midwest.social
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    1 year ago

    this reminds me of a few days ago where i saw a post where someone put their oc with a trans black sun and said "there's like no trans fash art so i made my own" like wow i wonder why

  • M68040 [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    I could almost admire it if this guy was trying to piss off literally everyone, but i feel this isn't that deliberate

  • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    You don't have to agree with Russia's domestic policies to be in favor of their victory on the geopolitical stage against NATO. Ain't nothing wrong with the image in the OP. Z

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Then just post a Z instead of putting it on a trans flag when they just made trans care illegal. Just as cringe, or possibly marginally more cringe, as making a trans American flag

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I think their point is that it's a Z and not the Russian tricolor (not sure how you'd make the latter a rainbow anyway), i.e. an endorsement of the campaign specifically and not the state generally.

        I still think OOP is goofy because neither the Russians nor the Ukronazis are fighting to protect or advance trans rights, but I don't think it's exactly as bad as using the flag of a queer-phobic state, be it Russia, Ukraine, or America.

        • SerLava [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          So it would be more like putting trans colors on a US challenge coin about attacking an even worse country, still pretty odd

          • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            Russia has risen to a sacred fight to protect its sovereignty and security. We will always support the decisions of President Putin and the Russian leadership … and we will be together in the fight against imperialism.

            -Kim Jong Un

            The US has never been anti-imperialist. What is your westoid obsession with projecting your own sins on your enemies?

            • SerLava [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              The US has never been anti-imperialist

              What are we pretending my position is next

              Edit: thanks for saying disengage, it's a good idea, bye

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            If we just imagined there was a country (or section of a country) that the US taking over would actually make things better for . . . sure? But there hasn't been one of those since 1945, and even then the US made sure to minimize the good it did by giving amnesty to heinous war criminals.

            • SerLava [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              So yeah that's a good example, I could use the logo from like a US WWII regiment to make fun of some Nazis they killed, but I wouldn't put like black nationalist colors or LGBT colors on the logo when it was whites-only and discharged gay people

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                That's a bit of a contortion since "Z" is not a regiment. Using some sort of black liberationist symbol in conjunction with a more general symbol from the US attack on the Nazis seems, well, a little odd since it was a segregated military as you say, but nonetheless had black soldiers triumphing over Nazis who would have them enslaved or murdered. I suppose Azov isn't likely being all that nice to trans people, but I've seen zero reporting on that topic.

                • SerLava [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Yeah that's fair, it's hard to find an equivalent of the Z in other contexts, it's a weirdly used symbol

      • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        The American Flag is the flag of a fascist imperialist power. It's a Nazi flag. No it's not "just as cringe". What "Z" and the anti-imperialist multipolar struggle represents is not "just as bad" as fucking AMERICA.

        I thought this place was finally past the both sides bullshit, but it seems continually mired here.

        • SerLava [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Russia is run by America's goon squad and aren't anti-imperialist, they're just anti the biggest empire, sure the balance of power says to fight the biggest and worst one but that doesn't make the type of shit in the OP any less stupid. Iran is far better than either of those countries and they have an even more justified and important struggle against the US but would you slap them on a rainbow flag? If fuckin like, Uganda or Saudi started blocking oil to America you could praise that without making it seem like they're compatible with gay and trans rights.

          It being marginally more cringe isn't because Russia has marginally worse effects on the world, it absolutely doesn't, it's marginally more cringe because it's more opposed specifically to freedom of gender expression and sexuality.

          • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            Speaking before the meeting, Kim said: “Russia has risen to a sacred fight to protect its sovereignty and security. We will always support the decisions of President Putin and the Russian leadership … and we will be together in the fight against imperialism.”

            Kim Jong Un, who knows better than you what is and what is not imperialism.

          • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            Russia serves America? Russia is the main force on Earth combatting America. Look to comrade KJU, you are out of line and making a common chauvinist error of both sidesism

            "Z" specifically symbolized a struggle against NATO. It doesn't represent the nation of Russia. Z is a good and based symbol.

  • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    This makes as much sense as the pride/Ukraine flags I've seen some internet idiots bandy 'round (zero).

    Both sides in this war are queerphobic states and you aren't gonna be able to reconcile that with queer identity.

    • Redcuban1959 [any]
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      1 year ago

      It's a real shame, I wonder what the Soviet Union would be like in relation to the LGBT community if it still existed today. AES countries like Vietnam and Cuba became friendly and supportive towards the lgbtq+ community after the 90s.

  • GaveUp [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Idk seems like this is specifically in the context of the war because of the Z?

    I mean so many trans people here also support Stalin, USSR, China, Laos, DPRK, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. in their wars

    Only difference between Russia and the other capitalist anti-queer countries is that Russia is the only one not yet flattened into the ground so it feels weird for people influenced by a culture that associates weakness with moral purity, strength with evil, and the underdog being a hero to support Russia in the same way

    • chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Charitably I'll assume the individual being dunked on has performed their own evaluation of "things" and determined that multi-polar imperialism is still better than US-dominated imperialism, because at least there's not an even more entrenched monopoly over the world.

      It's not like a modern neoliberal market hellhole state like Russia is going to liberalize on marginalized communities any time soon. The economic gears only grind harder from here, with the hard stops created by climate change on the horizon, so it's unlikely at least.

      We can't ignore history though. The context of modern Russia and other states is our world's history. The one where Western capitalists were unrelenting, reinvesting wealth stolen from revolutionary countries into their destruction. The one where "human rights concerns" were used only to justify sanctions against and invasions of countries already embattled for decades. It's one thing to pressure a nation on these issues, but it's a whole other thing to use people inside those societies to destabilize them and then weaponize capitalist owned press to browbeat those countries for "authoritarian" responses.

    • regul [any]
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      1 year ago

      capitalist anti-queer countries

      That's all of em, bud.

      • BeamBrain [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        US legalized gay marriage tho*

        *Don't look at what it's doing to trans people

        • regul [any]
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          1 year ago

          US legalized gay marriage for now

          • BeamBrain [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Noooo we can't crack down on them what about their freedom of speecherino???

            (We'll happily ostracize, jail, and kill communists though)

          • M68040 [they/them]
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            1 year ago

            Like, flying pride flags are nice and all but I need someone to scatter the Heritage Foundation and Focus on the Family to the four winds

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      It's still cringe on an aesthetic level. If you're going to combine the trans flag and the Z, at least do what they do with the ribbon of St. George like this only with the trans colors instead.

    • oregoncom [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Yeah I don't see China compiling lists of trans people or banning trans healthcare. Nor do I see massive reactionary backlash over trans people existing. The worst I've heard is that the legal procedure to change genders is convoluted(still bad).

      • GaveUp [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        That's why I partitioned the latter part into Russia and the other capitalist anti-queer countries in that list