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I'm pretty sure that even though reddit has been around for like ten years and has grown in size and in breadth of topics, it's still mostly dudes in their teens and early twenties who are either STEM students/grads, or who have no formal education. You would be hard pressed to find a group of people with less knowledge of history.
ask them if they have seen the video of that scene, and then ask them why it's always shown as a photo instead?
Evil Chinese tanks on their way to pulpify people refuses to run over a single person.
If tank man was standing in front of an American cop car, he would have been run down.
If tank man was standing a street away from an American cop car and retreating, he would have been run down.
I dont really understand what these people think happened from this picture, theres literally just a bunch of tanks and people standing around with the only interesting thing being the rows of shapes that might be people, no fucking blood, no piles of bodies, no meat mush from tanks driving people over like the weird british claim goes.
meat mush from tanks driving people over like the weird british claim goes.
What an impractical way of disposing of bodies. It's such a bizarre claim.
It's the only way they could explain the lack of a mass grave. If you squish them up and flush them down the toilet, there's nowhere you can go to verify the claim
I wonder if anyone has ever done an experiment with like a human mass of ground beef and tried to hose it down a drain or something, like if its even viable with one perfectly mushed person at all.
There's gotta be some dumbass that bought like a turretless tank and is dying to run things over with it or just do anything with the big hunk of junk.
Tbh, you don't even need a tank, just rent a bulldozer or any other tracked construction vehicle in the 10+ ton range.
And the strangest part to me is that there are graphic photos out there of dead bodies from either side (some people were killed in the skirmish, that's no secret). But les brave redditors still insist on using the tamest possible photo to prove how evil Chyna is.
They actually love to claim that as being inside the square, with virtually no context clues in the image to support that so its just pure conjecture from propaganda.
“Tell me, is the Tiananmen Square ‘Massacre’ in the room with us right now?”
I can imagine the people driving in the tanks further back are like "Hey why are we stopped?"
That particular subreddit is by far one of the most astroturfed subs on reddit, which is saying a lot. I see so many of the same posts with the same top comments and so many obvious ads. I had to block that sub cause, no, I don't think any of that shit is interesting as fuck.
Every day is Tank man day for your average lib ass redditor
-7DeadlyFetishes
Wait really? My HS teacher told us that tank man blocked the tanks on the way to Tienanmen Square.
You were lied to, he blocked them leaving.
I always found it odd that this supposed symbol of Chinese oppression was tank operators politely stopping for a civilian who stood in their way. But America can do shit like this and it's just another day.
tank man even got up on the tank and started chatting with the driver
Cause he walked back into the crowd afterwards, no-one knows who he was
It's not even on the Square too. I have never seen these so called 'massacre' pictures ever in the square.
How comes massacre is in quotation marks there? Is what you hear/get taught in the west different from what actually happened?
I believe this was the leaked cable from it.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
THEY WERE ABLE TO ENTER AND LEAVE THE SQUARE SEVERAL TIMES AND WERE NOT HARASSED BY TROOPS. REMAINING WITH STUDENTS BY THE MONUMENT TO THE PEOPLE'S HEROES UNTIL THE FINAL WITHDRAWAL, THE DIPLOMAT SAID THERE WERE NO MASS SHOOTINGS OF STUDENTS IN THE SQUARE OR AT THE MONUMENT.
about a "massacre":
WHEN POLOFF MENTIONED SOME REPORTEDLY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF MASSACRES AT THE MONUMENT WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, GALLO SAID THAT THERE WAS NO SUCH SLAUGHTER. ONCE AGREEMENT WAS REACHED FOR THE STUDENTS TO WITHDRAW, LINKING HANDS TO FORM A COLUMN, THE STUDENTS LEFT THE SQUARE THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE, INCLUDING GALLO, LEFT.
about the body count:
FROM THE ALLEY THEY SAW TROOPS CLEARING THE SQUARE PILING UP LARGE PLASTIC BAGS AND DRAGGING THEM TO HELICOPTERS. THEY COULD NOT COMMENT ON WHETHER THE BAGS CONTAINED REFUSE OR BODIES. AT THE TIME, THEY SAID, THEY COULD NOT IMAGINE THE BAGS CONTAINED BODIES AND HAD ASSUMED IT WAS GARBAGE. ALTHOUGH HE DID NOT ACTUALLY WITNESS ANY LARGE SCALE SHOOTINGS ON THE SQUARE PROPER,
okay, so he saw no death in the actual square, and somehow confused a what i'm assuming near 6foot long body bags with trash bags. Interesting.
GALLO SAW MANY CASUALTIES BROUGHT INTO THE SQUARE AND DID NOT DOUBT THAT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN BEIJING WERE KILLED BY THE ARMY ON JUNE 3 AND 4.
Well i'm glad he had no doubt despite not actually seeing any death at any time. (IMO - i have no proof either way - some civilians most likely were killed, but probably not massacre style)
tl;dr - some civilains might have been killed (bad) but it definitely wasn't just a bunch of soliders firing on civlians for no reason or without provocation. It seems like the killings weren't even in Tianamon square itself. And.. literally might not have even happened.
