TIL is super reactionary.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    People are such fucking delicate daisies about who is and who isn't a Nazi. I don't care if they're carrying a fucking party card or just quielty looking the other way when your neighbors get dragged off to camps. They're all fucking Nazis.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Redditors seldom apply the same standards to anyone except Nazis.

      Member of Wehrmacht units which committed genocidal atrocities? Didn't have his Nazi Party Card and paperwork sorted, so not a Nazi.

      Soviet soldier who was conscripted and wasn't in the party? Add all his misdeeds to the Black Book of Communism.

      • pinerw [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        And all his good deeds, since they include Nazis killed by the Red Army in the Victims of Communism figures too.

    • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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      4 years ago

      Don't you think people can be scared or brainwashed enough to do so?

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, in the moment sure, individuals do want to save their skin.

        But if you take a "comissioner of pointing out jews" role, or if you open your city records to Nazis rather than burn them you are absolutely a collaborator and get the bullet.

        • TheJoker [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yuh at the very least you can just not participate out of fear, and be forgotten by history. Hell, if you do even the tiniest bit of praxis against the nazis, you’re good. Anyone who says that they collaborated with the nazis in any way out of fear, should rightfully be told to fuck off

  • HalfeMoon [they/them,she/her]
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    4 years ago

    https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/kjirss/til_out_of_all_the_countries_that_were_required/ggxq101/?context=3

    I'm worried nobody asked for link, this site is going downhill with calling out liberalism.

    • RowPin [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e616f553-0357-4d65-a0cc-987d87842d62

      e: Actually I'm not because I don't really care enough to formulate a worthwhile reply that includes the Allies shoving homosexual prisoners back in to concentration camps post-war, the British knowing about the massacres and doing nothing (even when given reliable information by Jewish resistance groups), France pre-war attempting to negotiate with Ribbentrop to get Germany to stop exporting Jewish people and "could you take 10,000 of our's off our hands? ;)", Joel Brand's entire story where Britain refused to negotiate for the release of 1,000,000 Jewish people because "we have no room for them", how hundreds of thousands of Jewish people were still in refugee camps post-war because no country would take them, David Wyman's entire analysis of the US:

      1. The US State Department and the British Foreign Office had no intention of saving a large number of European Jews. On the contrary, they lived continuously in fear of seeing Germany and other Axis countries handing over tens of thousands of Jews to the Allies. Any such exodus would have pushed the Allied powers towards solutions – the opening of Palestine by the British and the reception of a greater number of Jewish refugees by the United States – that they refused to consider. Consequently, their policy was to prevent possible rescues and to moderate (sic!) public pressure for government action.
      1. It was in November 1942 that the officially authenticated news of the systematic extermination of Jews by the Nazis was made public in the United States [we have seen above that the British and probably American secret services had known about it for more than a year]. Regarding these massacres, President Roosevelt took no action for 14 months and ended up acting only because of political pressures he could not escape and because the government’s rescue actions were on the verge of causing a nasty scandal.
      1. The War Refugee Agency that the President then set up to save Jews and other victims of Nazism received only limited powers, almost no help from Roosevelt, his ministers and the administration, and totally inadequate public funding.
      1. Due to the administrative procedures applied by the State Department, only 21,000 refugees were admitted to the United States during the three and a half years that America was at war with Germany. This represented ten percent of the number of those who could have been legally welcomed under the immigration quotas applicable during this period.
      1. Strong public pressure would have led to a much stronger and earlier government commitment to the rescue. A number of factors hindered the development of such pressures. These include feelings of antisemitism and hostility to immigration that were as widespread in American society at the time as they were firmly represented in Congress; incapacity of the media to publicise the news of the Holocaust, even as news agencies and other sources of information made most of the information available to them; the near silence of the Christian churches and almost all their leaders; the indifference of the vast majority of political and intellectual figures; and the fact that the President did not think it appropriate to speak clearly on this issue.
      1. In 1944, the U.S. Department of War rejected several calls for the bombing of the Auschwitz gas chambers and railroads there on the pretext that such actions would divert air assets essential to the continuation of decisive operations elsewhere. However, during the same period when these calls were rejected, many massive air raids were carried out by the Americans within an 80 km radius around Auschwitz. On two occasions, large formations of American heavy bombers attacked industrial targets that were part of the Auschwitz complex itself, less than 8 km from the gas chambers.

      Granted, Wyman uses these conclusions to advocate for a Zionist state, but even he mostly understood it - outside of that the indifference he ascribes to the "popular will" was actually the fundamental indifference of the American bourgeoisie towards the victims of Nazism, against whom it raised the flag of freedom and democracy. Seems like that would count as collaboration to me!

  • TheJoker [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The wierd thing about politically “neutral” subreddits is that if early on a leftist sentiment is shared with just enough ‘civility’ to get upvotes, then the thread will be filled with leftist aligned comments and ideas. But if the most upvoted comment is “nazis are actually nuanced, I am very smart” then everyone will just be copying that guy. It really goes to show how grange Reddit’s algorithm is, that the entire tone of a conversation hinges on who got the most votes in the first couple seconds.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    4 years ago

    Same folks downvoting this definitely think the US death penalty system is justified.