For real, this is libshit that can be dismantled on its own merits. Natalie was ALWAYS like this. Insinuating that she developed libby or reactionary views after surgery is shitty.
Edit: I’ve read @kristina’s explanation elsewhere in the comments and while I completely agree that the material conditions of Natalie’s life and and transition have blinded her to the realities of transitioning for a majority of trans people, I find that the casual framing of the title reads like it’s delegitimizing Natalie’s identity - rather than her ideology - because she hasn’t fought in the trans trenches, and that’s where my concern came from.
Edit2: /u/kristina changed the title, it’s good now.
Valid criticism. 👆 Especially since we had trouble with transphobia lately.
Besides (often trans) 'woke' people criticizing trans people for things mostly unrelated to being trans the only other person you see bringing up gender-affirming plastic surgery like this is Nick Mullen.
I think kristina is trying to invoke the idea of "fuck you, I got mine".
I understand it, its something people say a lot about transwomen on the internet, and I'm not saying its not a worthwhile thing to ever talk about, but it is a strange and uncomfortable thing to shoehorn into this critique which has nothing to do with how feminine contra is now or with transness at all
The way I see it it's basically the same as talking about "rich white gays" like Buttigieg. Contrasting the fact that they belong to a traditionally oppressed minority with the fact that they themselves aren't oppressed and therefore become traitors to their peers and further right than the average member of that minority.
Okay. I would also not have liked to see criticisms of Buttigeig's lib positions attributed to him being gay, or even constantly reference him being gay. I probably woulda said some shit like "what does fixing bread prices have to do with being gay"
its more that he made his entire campaign about him being a gay guy and whenever he was around other LGBT people he treated them like shit. for example he would regularly cancel meetups at venues that were 'too sexual' or would dodge questions on trans healthcare. its a combination of holding certain views and being gay that makes him detestable to other lgbt people.
Well you said the words 'material conditions' and 'intersectionality' and called all of your detractors cis so I guess you must be right and my immediate visceral reaction to your title is invalid. You have debated me into a corner, facts truely do not care about my feelings
What you said is "for the benefit of all the cis here, I'm the pope of the trans and they all agree with me that this was not a weird title"
No, see, because she makes a YouTube which is popular to finance surgery. And that's... uh... bad?
IDK. I guess people are still upset because Natalie used the V-word in her last video.
It's just another edition of "We Live In A Society".
People with the highest profiles enjoy the highest incomes. So we need to do what exactly? Discourage people from earning money via social media? Impose mandatory waiting periods on trans-surgery, so everyone can suffer equally? Arbitrarily shame people for doing the thing that everyone else in the community is trying to achieve?
All because a Transwoman is dunking on the d-tier punditry of a prior decade on Twitter?
Wtf?
This is the same toxic reactionary attitude I see in the red-pilled corners of Reddit. It's Michelle Malkin levels of discourse. Just finding any fucking thing to villainize. Why not creep outside Natalie's window and complain about her countertops while you're at it?
youre mischaracterizing what i said. ideal society, yes, we all get surgeries and thatd be more than awesome. our society right now, there is a multimillionaire scolding poor trans people and supporting their oppressors and she is unable to understand why she is wrong because she hasnt had to deal with the discrimination most trans people receive.
also, dont say transwoman its trans woman. trans is an adjective.
there is a multimillionaire scolding poor trans people and supporting their oppressors
This is a twitter pundit commenting on the contradictions of corporate media criticism as an outsider looking in. Even with a superficial class analysis, Natalie fails to rank beside your Chuck Todds or Joe Rogans.
she is unable to understand why she is wrong
You're in the same damned boat. So busy trying to take pot shots at someone with a higher profile that you've missed the criticism entirely.
I've come to really dislike breadtube. It started as something to cheer on just as an opposition to chud youtube and all the dweeby "skeptics" on there, but It's become another "media consumption as politics" trap rife with libshit masquerading as leftism. Hbomberguy is basically the only one from there that I still watch (Shaun is also good but not as rewatchable because he does heavy shit, fair enough), and I really hope he actually makes more videos since he has people to help him plan and schedule his shit out now.
It's like like realizing you like the taste of dark chocolate now, you just gotta grow sport
Yessss. Them, black red guard, Yugopnik, Tankie Talk, Viki 1999, Kathrin, Space babies, paul cockshott, finbol, bayarea415, socialist swann, and Paul Morrin/basically anyone hes had on his channel. There is a thriving new redtube (lol) i have only gotten aquiainted with in the past few months, after spending forever sifting through the breadtube shlock.
Im so happy, i spent like half a year trying to find good youtube commies.
I mean, it’s a show where they spend 2 hours reading a Wikipedia article and making dumb jokes and when the article ends they are just “well, that’s that” and the episode just ends without them going to any real detail.
I really like subject matter and the hosts and their unique perspectives but lately their episodes have become increasingly phoned in and devoid of any real substance.
I mean I almost couldn't disagree any more. Lol.
They almost always going through historical material reasons for what led up to the point of the disaster (companies cutting corners, not paying workers, lack of gov oversight or no ability to punish companies, etc).
It's long af and it's not everyone's cup of tea, which is fine, but I feel like saying they just read the wikipedia article is disingenuous.
My bad, they're technically a podcast so I guess I wrote them off
Nah I just. I wouldn't expect anyone to list every good youtuber off the top of their head, no matter how short the list.
Although. They're not just a podcast. They're a podcast... With slides!
Of all the podcasts about engineering disasters with slides that I listen to, WTYP is one of them.
I don't think PhilosophyTube ever went full lib
But he did stop taking off his shirt in his videos
He seems cool to me. https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1346696293310054400?s=20
when i used to watch her it was like that idk what her deal is now. she pissed me off with something she said after her surgeries that was incredibly disparaging towards poor trans people but idr the specifics
I swear she goes out of her way to say some cringe thing every video, it feels almost like a shitty guerrilla marketing tactic.
I think she's just a drama queen and has this drive to be controversial and edgy.
I dunno. Do you think the whole Buck Angel controversy drive engagement or cost her subscriber?
Its not apologetics for war crimes. It’s just “but her emails” with a different coat of paint. It’s petulant lib brained shit.
I’ll give her six months before she goes the way of the sexual mutual aid lady and formally “leaves the left.”
Google Merrick Deville if you’re curious, but she’s just one of the “communist gun girls” who’s said a bunch of dumb shit over the course of her twitter career and ended up taking her toys and going home when twitter leftists were rude to her.
IIRC it was twitter beef from a few months ago where the discourse was about whether or not sex work would exist under communism, with some people saying it wouldn't exist without the monetary needs and other(s) saying it would exist as "mutual sexual aid".
Great example of how bickering over some theoretical point shouldn't get to a place where it hurts our progress towards making that theoretical argument relevant.
On the podcast The Mental Illness Happy Hour a guest was a sex worker who considered herself a sex therapist and made it sound like while she did do it for money she truly believed she was helping people who desperately needed contact and help, I don't think it would necessarily happen like that under some sort of communist utopia but as long as jobs exist and people who need therapy, sex and otherwise, exist I'd bet there will be people who'd do it. Hell, there are people who will throw people a pity fuck for free. But please, I do not want to be in the discourse lol.
Yeah I am not looking that up. I demand a sentence explanation of "sexual mutual aid lady." lmao
Contrapoints has said what she has to say, and she did it 2-3 years ago. Now she continues to speak because it's her job, but it's increasingly cliched and vapid. She needs a new challenge and is unwilling to create challenging circumstances. Her art is dead, her voice deathless. Change or make space for new voices.
Natalie is the kind of person who knows she only makes trouble for herself by posting to twitter...and does it anyway.
This is very true. And the people who hate her have definitely reached b*tch eating crackers levels of being done with her.
Every time I see a new bad tweet from her I'm like "You were supposed to quit Twitter ffs. That was a good idea. You should have stuck with that."
The only thing I have regreted posting in this site is her voting video, she really is just another :LIB:
Biden isnt progressive and 90% of the Democratic party isnt either, stop distorting the reality of the Dems just because conservatives exist.
Contrapoints probably has to deal with ALL of the most sensitive crowds on the fucking planet jesus fucking christ, would not want to be her. mountains out of god damn mole hills
Leftists are fucking annoying, they're usually right but insanely annoying. it has to come with the territory of going against the grain, that's just how people naturally react.
no it can only ever mean one thing im mad about or want to project about >:( sry ur cancelled
Piss off with that shit. It's a simple request to not use gendered language when addressing people who have explicitly requested non-gendered language be used.
woooooooooow how are you going to tell me
And Contrapoints was making a comment about how the media reacts to Obama eating mustard versus how we treat trump supporters larping a coup.
its boiler plate shit. and clearly contrapoints is aware of obama being a war criminal but no we gotta make it something its not because "ackshually i post on twitter and reddit im very smart" read waaaaay too fucking much into it
I don't see the issue with her initial tweet besides it being a tired, stale joke.
yeah im fluent bilingual sometimes i word things weird, might be better now idk
yeah im fluent bilingual sometimes i word things weird, might be better now idk
She’s always been a lib, it’s really not surprising when she shoves her foot into her mouth and prepares to take it down to her knee.
but has she always been this fucking cliched and, quite frankly, pedestrian?
next she's going to compare trump to voldermort, lord spare us.
Kinda?
The peak of her work was pointing out that the internet radicalized people into nazis. We’ve been beyond that since Charlottesville.
i just want to entertain the question, whether it was just me becoming less tolerant of lib takes, or maybe contrapoints moved center as well
We've all just been blackpilled into cynical pricks by chapo. Everything is lame. Everything is pedestrian. Everything is libshit. Hope is dead. I fucking hate this place now.
lmao i think i was cynical already before chapo, but probably online amplifies it a lot.
She's still awesome, beautiful, and tragic to me.
Everyone knocks Natalie for seemingly treading in trivial water for the past few years, and yet their hate doesn't seem capable of the same self-reflection. Imagine caring still so much about someone you dismissed years ago.
