also veganism is just socialism for food
Diet is not something that can be controlled by the state. It should be the goal of a socialist state to educate and discourage and of course regulate to an insane degree but getting rid of meat consumption with policy is utopian thinking
Not really, just don't produce meat in the planned economy. Your average person would probably rather eat vegan from a grocery store than raise, slaughter, and butcher animals to eat and double so for dairy. Eggs might be the exception but only in rural areas and a generation raised without them would end the practice. Getting to a point where that is formal policy is a different matter but not impossible, especially when it would be a quick way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, conserve water, and more efficiently produce food.
Thats a really good point. (I was completely talking out of my ass I have never given this question any thought)
Oh haha. Honestly I don't think most of my fellow vegans and animal-liberationists have thought much about it either.
Yeah it feeds right into the "socialism = no food" propaganda. The idea of public canteens having just ONE meat free day a week was enough for green parties in Europe to drop by like 5-10% in polls.
No it's not petty at all. While I don't think there's that many people would take up arms to defend their right to buy steak (especially if their lives improve on every other front), it's entirely possible that the struggle for vegan socialism will be a twenty, forty, or even sixty year project on top of getting to the socialist state in the first place and it almost certainly won't be for the animals. Alternatively it could arise out of protracted people's war and the breakdown of supply lines making animal products an unobtainable luxury. Surely there are other ways, but I don't know what conditions will produce this change. Like so many features of higher stage communism though, we need socialism before we could even hope to end animal agriculture so that people become educated and conditioned to it just like the withering of the state or the end of the value-form.
We also do not only eat the fancy cut.
I really do not like this sort of complaint from the west, who deride our food for this.
china is actually a major importer of meat, so from what I understand they don't build productive forces through a meat export industry
african swine flu destroyed the pork industry yet government monter printer keeps going brrrrrr to new factories
They need to build the meat production forces so they stop importing it
stop being ableist friend, next time call me a clown or something
comrade, im going to go to bed now. i don't care anymore, im genuinely asking you to not. im sorry but i dont have any energy to bother. just make chapoba more tolerant space, it's not hard
comrade, i do not know the polite way to say fuck off. i am drinking to go to sleep. please, i dont care what you're going on about or have the energy. just stop doing an ableism please.
Hey, uh, head's up - you're allowed to have your disagreements, but please be respectful of people who do not want to continue to have a conversion. Please do not follow them around and harass them , continuing to do so may result in a ban. If you have a problem with something they post, please report / ping the moderation team.
Was the boycott of Apartheid South Africa "liberal"? Was the bus boycott "liberal"? Or the BDS campaign? Going vegan is pretty much just boycotting animal products, and boycotts have been very effective in the past.
when literally the same number of animals will die whether you eat meat or not lol
This is very dumb, boycotting the meat industry obviously affects how many animals are slaughtered. For example, here's data from the UK showing a 10% decrease in meat consumption between 2013 and 2017, which is believed to have been caused by widespread adoption of veganism beginning at around that time (and this figure is believed to have dropped further since 2017).
In the UK, the average person consumes 85kg of meat a year; the total meat consumption of the country is 5.5 billion kg of meat per year, so a 10% reduction in meat production means that 552 million kg less meat is being produced.
Would you seriously contend that half a billion fewer kilos of meat being produced has zero effect on the number of animals being slaughtered?
china has been pushing for greater veggie consumption, not necessarily out of the desire for veganism, but because it makes it easier to lift various regions out of poverty. meat production is relatively specialized and requires a lot of things like medications for the animals, so it can be cost prohibitive in the poorest and most remote areas.
so if you look into their poverty alleviation efforts, they almost always focus on vegetables and fruits that have good yield in their region based on the science. sometimes they do other crops. but ive never seen them do anything in relation to livestock in the impoverished areas. its always some sort of plant or mining something. they also sometimes encourage them to move into larger cities.
short term economists in china still think giving money to regional pork plants is best strategy though
I am begging you people to stop trying to make vegans look stupid. We have to fight enough of our own about that.
Veganism is incompatible with capitalism and this is my true view
