If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
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There are no countries which will have high population growth with adequate equality and access. Like literally all countries on the planet have experienced decline in population growth with like at most 5 or 6 exceptions.
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This is a shitty and unproductive response to a thoughtful comment. As someone else said in this thread, leftists for some reason think it's OK to totally misrepresent what someone's saying on this topic if it isn't "infinite population growth is possible on a finite planet."
Is this the part where you stick your fingers in your ears and go "nanananana"
No it's not. In literally no field is malthusianism remotely taken seriously.
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No they are not. You have no fucking clue what malthusian is or means. You are literally not grasping the conversation actually being had.
Skipping over the very important part there of the social system by which we produce and then distribute that produce and the means by which the products are made both of which are significant factors in the carrying capacity of a given system as they relate to the efficiency by which parts of the system are transformed into means for others to live.
That's not what malthusian or mathulsianism is. You are substituting a specific discussion on the means by which we produce how we live and the how the results are distributed for a much more general topic about total abstract carrying capacity (which is also variable according to both those factors I just mentioned).
The real battle is a specific social system which arranges society in such a fashion that it obscures our relationship to nature, encourages means of producing and distributing goods that are inefficient and whose benefits are most significantly accrued to a small group who burn and waste significantly more than most of the population.
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No, you reduced malthusianism to a banal statement about total carrying capacity. That's not malthusianism.
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No.
Because it's the correct take. Malthus was wrong on population growth. Fundamentally wrong. Populations stabilise as their material conditions improve. A number of countries now have declining populations. Even as populations declined, poverty rates stayed the same or got worse. Malthus' claim was that poverty as it already existed was an outcome of population growth, which was and remains wrong. He displaced understanding the social system and how it produces poverty by claiming it as a natural outcome of factors not related to how society was organised. You're attempting to do the same in fixating the discussion on population growth. Even worse when population growth i.e. having large numbers of children is in fact an outcome of poverty. Reducing poverty reduces the tendency for population growth.
You didn't respond to anything. You did a "well ackshually" and reduced malthusianism to something it isn't. And are now denying you did that.
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Shut the fuck up, you were wrong. Deal with it.
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No. Malthusianism was never just "total carrying capacity exists". You are and remain wrong. The answer to population increase is getting rid of the causes of poverty. Malthus was wrong on practically everything.
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https://monthlyreview.org/1998/12/01/malthus-essay-on-population-at-age-200/
There's your displacing knowledge, fucking moron.
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That's exactly what you did from the beginning. You don't read your own posts.
You're a dipshit and faux civility shit is tiresome.
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Yeah I feel like this convo is people agreeing phlogiston isn't real then one person saying it's kinda real because combustion is essentially phlogiston if you squint just right because they both involve fuel.
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Wrong post!
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Oh hell yeah, let's fuckin goooooooo
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