return my $27 and then crumble into dust, old man
Even at his best he was a compromise candidate
I can't speak for the rest of you but I'm done compromising, from the river to the god damned sea
You say this, and then go to your other thread on Israel-Palestine and start whimpering for half measures
It means supporting it as the necessary violence happens instead of being a sniveling westoid coward
Whatever liberal, go back to crying about how the real victims of this are Israeli settlers and how the big mean hexbears are doing a war crime for laughing at them reaping what they sowed
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actually mike gets angry when child murderers are killed so he's a huge liar
Fuckin piece of shit, maybe Hamas should've put some swastikas on their uniforms to get you to back them
Bernie is one of the best elected officials in the USA which is uhhh an extremely low bar to clear
Bernie is one of the best elected officials in the USA
Bernie is one of the best elected officials in the USA
Just more proof that every US politician has dog shit foreign policy
Did Ilhan Omar post cringe? That's the only one I can think of that could possibly be okay
Ilhan and Rashida are the only ones I can think of, but I bet they're keeping their heads down.
Ilhan has been increasingly more cringe the last few years and continues that trend unfortunately
I honestly think that statement is the farthest that this system will allow. The Israel lobby already has it out for her, so she's being very cautious
Eh she and the rest of the squad have been goofy about a few other things I’m not keeping score of everything little thing but I’ve seen her criticized for plenty of other stuff the last few years
I get she’s not an out and out communist but she’s being about as critical here of Palestine as bernie and cornel who are rightfully being criticized for it
I think Ilhan has done bullshit regarding Xinjiang (along with AOC and Bernie)
I half agree with him. There is no justification for this violence, and there hasn't been for decades. And yes, this violence should end now. Israel should surrender.
Haha oh my god, I only made it through the first half, glanced down to your comment, thought it was a keyboard slam, looked up and saw 32 upvotes, got really fucking confused and continued on to the rest of the comment
whew
It's funny how libs turn into world peace fighting historians overnight completely ignoring what has been happening for years without them knowing or caring
Personally I think a solution where they negotiate a two state solution is more realistic as Israel aren't going to just all agree to go away because they don't want to and no one can make them.
What they need is an Israeli good friday agreement
The scenario where Israel agrees to a two state solution that gives a Palestinian state the slightest chance to succeed (like access to freshwater or international trade) is not realistic either and hasn't been for a long time.
I think it's very unrealistic but is something that could conceivably happen unlike them deciding to just pack up the entire country and go
I don't actually want a two state solution, I want all of Palestine in Palestinian hands. But if I thought there was the slightest chance of a two state agreement that gave Palestinians a chance to form a viable state I would call for that. There isn't, so of the two wildly unrealistic options I'm going to call for the one I actually want instead of the one which is "more" realistic, whatever that means if you know it is not going to happen.
Eventually Israel are going to have to give in something because there are about as many Palestinians as Israelis so they can't maintain this level of oppression forever. They also can't put the palestinians in death camps because of the level of arab backlash they would face (pre Ukraine I also would have said this might upset western support) so the eventual result will have to be some kind of two state solution as things can't be unsustainable forever. I hope that's now instead of a hundred years from now. But in Israel the government are all hardline fanatics so them taking the obvious solution seems unlikely. Western support for Israel obviously extends the time they can maintain the current state of affairs as well
They can do, and are doing, a slow genocide. And even that phrasing depends heavily on what you consider "slow". That will absolutely turn hot before they agree to anything even approaching a realistic solution. In 2018 they killed about 1.5 % of the Palestinian population for peacefully protesting. This year will be much worse. But if we just disagree about how realistic certain unpalatable compromises are and not about how morally all of Palestine should belong to Palestine we can just agree to disagree.
i hate this evil bastard. give me my money back
Death to America
Basically exactly what all the Republicans did with Trump during the debates lol
They hate violence by any means but they'll gladly support military support against the Palestinians. Absolutely zero thinking and logic
Yes, it's heartbreaking that it turned violent. I can sympathize with the illegally occupied people who have their desire to be released from the world's largest open air prison with God knows how many crimes against humanity getting passed over by news cycles. "It must end now" is so myopic for the righteous anger of these people speaking the language of the unheard. It is clearly and visibly a reaction to their conditions and their conditions are unjustifiable. If anything must end now, it's the illegal occupation.
Would like to point out that the USA prison system has imprisoned around 7 million people currently living, Palestine has a population of 5 million
Just for comparison on the worlds largest prisons
I would just note that I'm not the one who coined the term "world's largest open air prison" for Gaza.
of course
Yeah, I view it as a tragedy that is overwhelmingly the fault of the occupiers for creating this existential desperation, like how when you fuck the poor with policy the blood from resulting crime is on your hands at least as much as any of the criminals you put in that position (obviously fuck profiteers who are just exploiting the situation)
It's truly baffling to me that anyone who suggests they believe in some kind of left politics would make a statement like this. Do they not reflect on what it must be like? Set aside that this is the only home many Palestinians have known, they're literally stuck there. They're blockaded and fenced in and coralled by military outposts, and not even the arab states that support them want them as refugees. Nobody does, nobody wants them. They're entirely fucking stuck there, and they're blockaded and dirt poor and at the mercy of people with openly genocidal intentions against them. I hate today because I really don't want to spend all of my time looking at this shit, but it is hard to look away. How can a person so callously "condemn" the Palestinians that choose violence, regardless of who it is pointed at, when THAT is their condition. They're in a hopeless situation and the big liberal democracies all talk about them like criminals for cynical geopolitical reasons. How maddening must that be?
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
But tbh this is unsurprising, he’s always had sus foreign policy and it’s been known that he is not good on Israel-palestine.
