What is considered white. Hell, I’m Sicilian and some of my Hispanic friends are as light or lighter than me. Of course we know with chuds, they will find another group to demonize.
I’m reading a book on immigration by Chomsky’s daughter and the thought just came to me. I’d like for that to be the case, my girlfriend is a Latina and a lot of my friends are as well, I’d rather them eventually be absorbed into the whiteness blob so they aren’t in quite as much danger from bigots.
After that, I’d rather whiteness as a gatekeeping concept go the fuck away entirely.
American capitalists will continue to create arbitrary racial divides until you slaughter your rulers and replace them with a democratic peoples republic.
You should murder every single oligarch and corrupt politician and purge your society of all liberalism. The DPRK took this necessary step during our revolution and created a worker's state lead by the people.
Too bad they forgot to purge the black market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jangmadang Or maybe it's the People's Black Market and is allowed to exist for developing Productive Forces™
Leave it to a leftcom to claim you can just abolish a black market.
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/4lR80uZ1C1.jpg
I don't claim they even want to, they were a market economy all along. .And they are liberalizing too. All that posturing and suffering and bullshit about socialism and all it amounted to is painful decades of a sham "socialism" that is gradually revealing it's true face. North Korea should unironically do a Dengist reform and just admit they are capitalist.
It's funny how little the suffering of North Koreans means to leftists who want to desperately claim a "win" from their oppressors.
This is the weirdest non-sequiter response to being owned. It's like, I can read the words, but they don't mean anything, like a squid throwing up a random cloud of ink
damn turns out when nearly everyone is sanctioning them and their agricultural environment is shit, people turn to black markets
Considering that they already have markets, maybe they should just legalize the black market and embrace what they always were : a state capitalist economy.
BRB, going to tell Kim to press the delete State and the delete Market button.
Your link says that they are regulated but allowed
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1we5OEdteZFfAh11v0s_RVh3LWAkVICGrFnvksVynGxw/edit#heading=h.k8djmoh9t33d
You don't need to read 5000 pages to understand that having markets, money, commodity production, profits and exploitation doesnt mean you have a socialist society.
Nooooo they are not socialist, they should stop cracking down on the black market and do a Dengism to prove me right :angery:
Inability to read is a common feature among thirdworldists. I said they are NOT cracking down on their black markets, and they are already liberalizing, so they are already proving me right.
Are you a «thirdworldist»? Because your own link says they are cracking down on the black markets. It's also lacking citations, incoherent and orientalist as shit, but I digress.
They are not cracking down on black markets. They are simply regulated. Why do black markets exist in the first place? It's because commodity production (capitalism) is the dominant form of production in North Korea, and informal markets are just an expression of its capitalist nature. They are not an aberration, they are part of its nature.
I mean it's already happening as we speak. Look at Trayvon Martin's killer. Look at all these "Hispanics for Trump." Or all the reactionary Cuban-Americans in South Florida.
Yeah Zimmerman sprang immediately to mind. Your perceived whiteness increases the darker your victim, apparently.
Yep the same thing happened with Italians.
I’m wondering who the next scapegoat will be?
I was also thinking Chinese (or Asians in general, but especially those of Han Chinese descent) will be the next big scapegoat for chuds. People stereotyping them about COVID will not help at all. I hope I’m wrong, but right-wingers rarely exceed my extremely low expectations. Then of course there’s the never ending popularity among fascists of always hating blacks and Jews no matter what.
It’s unfortunate this something we can even speculate on, but I know how American reactionaries are.
White Hispanics, sure.
But if you look more indigenous or too brown, I don't think so.
The ones that are really brown, yeah they’re going to continually be subject to full on discrimination for sure. I think Hispanics with a more olive skin tone are probably eventually going to just be seen as white people, which is always good being subject to less discrimination is always a good thing.
The concept of whiteness in and of itself is trash though. Not as in recognizing that it exists and hurts and oppresses people, more-so that it’s used to gatekeep people out of being considered a full human and citizen of the country.
Whiteness needs to go. I can’t wait for that part of this shit hierarchy to fade away.
I think Hispanics with a more olive skin tone are probably eventually going to just be seen as white people, which is always good being subject to less discrimination is always a good thing.
Ehhh, perhaps on a really sandblasted macro-scale perhaps, but knowing spanish and having spanish last names outs someone really quick as not being part of the "in-group".
That and also being denied access to the decades of accumulation of wealth that the white population has access to may sour things a bit.
Yeah, I just think those things will matter less over time as the US becomes overwhelmingly Hispanic.
Im not a sociologist (though I’ve heard sociologists share my sentiments) so keep in mind this just basically a shower thought from me
It would be nice for my girlfriend and potential kids and grandkids to not deal with as much bigotry as being in an outgroup entails,
There are already-existing racial divides in central and south American countries that I know just enough about to know that I don't know enough to talk about it intelligently, lol. But I would say, yes, that immigrants that can visually "pass" the paper bag test will become more and more accepted into whiteness, while people whose families may have immigrated from the same country in the same generation (so they've "been here," as people say, for the same length of time) may still be considered outsiders because they look "too black" or "too indigenous." I don't think there'll be a new group to demonize, there will just be a new line drawn that will include white-appearing Hispanic people, while everyone else might be told to "go back where you came from" no matter that their family has been US citizens for 4 generations or whatever.
Best friends with a Hispanic dude. Have seen him be called white and even a colonizer. (By white ppl). Last name is literally Hernandez lmao.
To be fair the Spanish were colonizers. Not saying this applies to your friend.
Hahaha true he’s just a brown Cuban dude so it’s funny to hear whites calling him a colonizer
Well we would be getting into the realm of Spanish race science then. As racist as us Anglos are, we don't hold a candle to the Spanish when it comes to arcane blood quantum mathematics. Personally I think the whole idea of blaming random people for being colonizers these days isn't helpful unless they are doing active colonizing like building pipelines over reservations or something. Yes in the abstract calling someone a colonizer can be correct in a theoretical sense, but most normal people will just look at you like you are a nut.
I think mainstreaming settler is good for the discourse. Too many settlers in the anglosphere think that genocide is a thing that their ancestors did, not an ongoing project
As racist as us Anglos are, we don’t hold a candle to the Spanish when it comes to arcane blood quantum mathematics.
fucking amazing. And you're right, the Spanish variant of racism is absolutely bananas not because it's especially egregious, but because it makes 0 fucking sense. At least the racial hierarchies presented by Anglo racism suggest some rules. The Latins in the new world change them on a yearly basis.
I've got a couple buddies who are tribal members but so ambiguously beige you wouldn't know unless they told you. Always funny the double takes new acquaintances would do when they'd say real radical shit about liberation or genocide
Yeah, probably.
Inevitably it'll likely get to the point where Nazis will just have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, where they'll take you as long as you look white regardless of your actual ancestry. They'll be that desperate for whites not to be "outnumbered".
Basically this. It’s what’s happened in the past with Italians, and I see it happening again with most Hispanics, aside from the ones with majority African or indigenous DNA.
Unfortunately the chuds always have a need for an underdog to kick around and treat like shit
And black people are still confined to the status of racial underclass regardless. Repeat.
Most definitely. Chud whites will always look for an excuse to treat black people like second class citizens.
I disagree with this take, but I have a difficult time articulating why, exactly. I understand in the past, the definition of "whiteness" changed as circumstances changed. But it feels like white people don't "need" the definition to change like they needed it to in the past. Personally, I think there was much less hostility at the idea of including say the Irish or Italians into the definition of "white" than there is now at expanding it. Especially with white privilege in retreat, I think it's more likely we see white folks contracting the definition rather than expanding it. I just don't think you can look at history and say "white folks have always expanded the definition of whiteness" and expect that to continue indefinitely.
I don’t know we will see I guess. I think it’s always good when a group is less discriminated (largest minority in America at this point) against and scapegoated and so I’m hoping my take comes true .
I think whiteness is shit to begin with, but if people being absorbed into it means less violence towards that group, I’m all for it
I would be embarrassed if I was posting on an obscure leftist forum just to be a shithead and act like a weirdo.
You have a nice night dude. Not in the mood to argue with a deranged troll
That would require the US to fundamentally reframe its colonialist intervention in Lat Am. How would that work?
