• BeanBoy [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    She wanted to change it from the inside. He wanted to blow it up from the outside in a hostile takeover.

    The US political imagination everyone. Winning an election by following the rules is a hostile takeover.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Shame Bernie refused to stand up for himself any more than he did his supporters. Couldn't hurt his good friends Judas and Joe the Rapist.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Bernie's most severe fault is he's a nice man who treats his DC coworkers like dear friends and I'll never forgive him

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        "Bernie should have been meaner" isn't a good takeaway from 2020. With the Warren bullshit we got a taste of how eager the mainstream was to jump on him for stuff like that, and one of his big selling points was his image as a nice old grandpa who really gave a shit.

        Mean Bernie would have appealed to leftists who were already supporting him. It wouldn't have appealed to people who were lukewarm on him but who had someone else as their #1 choice.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Some of the tactics that appeal to chuds aren't going to appeal to Democrats.

            Trump gained a lot of support from open racism, for instance. But I don't think Bernie would have benefited from rhetoric like "Mexico is flooding us with murderers and rapists."

            • gramsciezethemeans [he/him,they/them]
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              edit-2
              4 years ago

              Of course I wouldn't ever say that a left movement should appeal to bigotry in any form. The anger I think that needs to be channeled is an economic populist one. Something that Trump did in fact channel alongside his anti-republican elite rhetoric (while of course never doing anything about it). One of Trump's successes was getting formerly apolitical (nonvoting) people to vote for him. And the cohort of Trump voters who voted for Obama at least once cannot be ignored either. Same with the reactionary working class segment in England and its Brexit vote, the working class is fucking angry since the fallout of 08 and the left needs to give it a productive outlet for that anger, ie towards a response that improves their material conditions and is based on class solidarity across race, gender, etc. If a mass left movement wants any success it has to engage people who are apathetic for rightly seeing Democrats and Republicans alike as an unresponsive elite.

              And besides we can't base strategy off the assumption that a left movement can game its rhetoric in such a way to avoid a backlash. Bernie's 2020 campaign was about as non threatening to capitalist hegemony as possible for something that could be broadly considered leftist and yet the media still went all out against it. Look at how Trump used mainstream media's hatred of him to energize his base. A lot of people recognize the corruption of the MSM. Yes it'll piss of PMC libs but their support was tenuous and limited anyway.

              I'm also not sure you can broadly categorize Bernie's image as the nice old man. I think the image of him as cantankerous old man is just as if not more commonly understood.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          i'm more cynical than that and don't believe there's anything he could have done to gain more support than he did since he was kneecapped from the beginning

          being meaner could have at least put some fear in the right people

      • HntrKllr [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Bernie's central park stroll will be the saddest one for me

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Her poll numbers only went down after that so it's actually "funny" how pathetic everything was.

    • Sushi_Desires
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      edit-2
      4 years ago

      Yeah this stunt really seemed like the event horizon of her complete and total collapse into irrelevancy. It might be the first time a politician has ever been "punished" for pulling some dumb disingenuous bullshit, like ever

    • modsarefascist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      This this this. So few leftist realize how powerful the MSM is. As if because they only watch dudes camming on twitch for their news that's what everyone else is doing. The MSM decides how the public thinks, and any possible fight against that is helpful. The non-Fox ones are especially great at not telling many obvious lies but just mislead and omit in order to convey a message that isn't what actually happened.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        This is why I'm pretty forgiving of folks in the growing leftist media sphere. Media is really important if you're trying to build any sort of mass movement, and someone has to go out and put in the work of establishing these outlets.

  • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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    edit-2
    4 years ago

    It was not a well kept secret that toxic masculinity permeated his campaign operation

    Well alright if you say so

    • Segorinder [any]
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      4 years ago

      That's a great sentence for sounding like it has the wiggle room of just reporting on hearsay, while actually stating the toxic masculinity as objective fact.

      • Marsala [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Also great effort to discredit feminism by throwing around words like they had no meaning.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    4 years ago

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        • DasRav [none/use name]
          ·
          4 years ago

          Exactly.

          Us demanding an apology for it will do nothing. Decorum only matters if the establishment can use it to make you look bad and in no other scenario. Any demand along these lines would just be labeled as 'oh look at these Bernie bros still clinging to last year, they really can't be reasoned with'.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
    ·
    4 years ago

    Liberals know what their doing, their not naive or misguided, they like this shit, they get off on it