Our big red boy did a good job last night.
https://twitter.com/bluevirginia/status/1371998860147572736?s=19
Not to pop anyone's bubble but this could also just be Lee fans from around twitter spamming the poll and not necessarily reflect truth on the ground in Virginia. Hope I'm wrong!
If this means that of the 1700 a significant proportion of the 1000+ votes for him were online support that is quite something. That means he got a tool others have to pay for with tens or hundred thousands of $s.
i mean its not really representative of virginia imagine, and all votes were online support its a twitter poll. not be a negative nancy just don’t expect those margins in anything tangible is all
If you frame your argument as the preferential candidate wasn't on the list and likely got more momentum I am with you, but it is absurd to always strife for 50%+ margins. Campaigns take time and little successes.
sure sure just don’t want people to think it means anything about the actual electorate is all
just don’t want people to think it means anything about the actual electorate
Why not? What do you fear? That people are motivated?
because its deluding ourselves into something that is absolutely not reality we are stuck on this online bubble enough and definitely need to see things for what they are
And you think that demotivating people by confronting them with reality motivates them to see things the real way? I think it makes more sense to build up people and try to get them to organize. Though online it isn't so much a focus, however framing good news even if it isn't significant yet in a way that makes it comparable and an asset is good imho.
Definitely! That in of itself is something to be excited about too :) it wasn't my goal to naysayer, just to make sure folks weren't counting unhatched chickens and setting themselves up for dissappointment.
If the official election result deviates from this, the OAS will have to intervene and support a military coup ... sorry, political crisis.
Gubernatorial is a real word in the USA that people use with a straight face?
okay sure, but literally tune into any session of UK parliament
I'm still awed at being told by someone that Swedish parliament was too rowdy and disrespectful and that they should take lessons from the UK because someone was indirectly rude. I have to assume that their only experience of UK parliament was fictional, it is a clownshow.
Which is weird, because the UK one is actually miles ahead of it's cloned Canadian cousin. I'd much rather take a rude parliament over one where they don't even answer the questions.
I'm not sure that being rude would help with getting answers. If you've tuned into a PMQ in the last ten years they rarely, if ever, answer any of the questions.
I'd prefer if they went the whole hog and started fistfighting instead of doing oxbridge debate class shit.
Fair enough, but literally every exchange is:
Opposition: "Mr. Speaker, when will the Prime Minister apologize for the egregious typeface error on his letterhead?" a loud ring of "hear, hear"
PM: "Mr. Speaker, since we formed government, we've raised living standards 36%, put more money in the pocket of every child in Canada, defeated the Coronavirus, and stopped climate change. If the opposition minister doesn't want nice things for Canadians, perhaps he should tell them that directly." whooping and cheering
Meanwhile the US and Russian versions are a press secretary taking questions from mostly recuperated career journalists that amount to repeating "please refer to the press release already made, and stop being un-patriotic. Thanks, no further questions".
Honestly thought this was supposed to be description of UK Parliament until I saw the word "Canada".
Isn;t the House of Lords pretentious and delicate while the Commons is the shitshow? cartoonish aristocracy lol
House of Commons is the noisy one. House of Lords is basically the same format but with less jeering.
the rituals are entertaining but I prefer better rules than just unwritten manners etc.. In most places everyone speaks uninterrupted, in britain it's like one's character is judged at every second
NYAAAAAAAH!!! NYAAAAARRRR!!!! EYYYYYYYY!!!!! HHRRREEEEEEEEEEEEERRR!!!!!
Why have you got to make it a contest? All bourgeosie democracies are shams full of pomp, ceremony and gradiose language designed to give them legitimacy
Not to do the whole "twitter isn't real life" thing, but a self-selected poll from very online millenials and zoomers might not be representative. I'm sure our big red son did fine though.
"Fairfax" and "McLellan" are like if an algorithm had to name Virginians
edit: actually, "Lee" too
Can he actually win this? He polled 1% and 6% on the only (and very tiny) polls I found.
he's also going against one of the former governors of Virginia, and yeah the polls I've seen has him at single digits, I'm happy for him but it's a longshot
Terry Mcauliffe, who didn't participate in the debate and isn't listed in the Twitter poll.
The serious answer is no. He's already had to take a month off fundraising to maintain his seat in the legislature (active state legislators can't fundraise during legislative sessions), and a lot of the local progressive orgs like Justice Democrats and the local Sunrise chapter have backed another candidate (Jennifer Carroll Foy), in large part because they perceive her as more able to win. It's already tough for a socialist to win statewide, never mind someone who really can only campaign part-time. I think it's fair to say this campaign is more about building name recognition/statewide support for a future run, which is fine. Plenty of campaigns are run basically for that purpose.
Why am I not surprised progressives do nothing but hamstring anyone to the left of them?
Is support for Jennifer Carroll Foy somehow hamstringing leftism? She's a public defender by trade and seems to support a raft of progressive policies. She's also campaigning full-time, having announced no intention to run for State House again in order to focus entirely on the gubernatorial bid.
Yes, when a rather well liked leftist figure is running, stop trying to siphon voters off them by pushing some lukewarm progressive. They should have at least discussed this with Lee Carter so that they could determine the best course of action, rather than taking things into their own hands and watering down the playing field, allowing some neoliberal (who understands that once someone takes the lead, everyone else backs down to consolidate their voting base) to win off some technicality. This is literally Warren all over again, and you're falling hook line and sinker for it
They should have at least discussed this with Lee Carter so that they could determine the best course of action, rather than taking things into their own hands and watering down the playing field
I mean, do we know anything about the back end of this gubernatorial fight? Lee's not making this his full time job. He's still running concurrently for State House. That makes me think he knows he's a long-shot and isn't fully committed. He's potentially just a stalking horse for leftist agenda items and knows it.
This is literally Warren all over again, and you’re falling hook line and sinker for it
Sanders lobbied for Warren to run in 2016 and she turned him down to endorse Hillary prematurely. This is a distant cry from Sanders v Warren.
That makes me think he knows he’s a long-shot and isn’t fully committed
Of course he's not fully committed, any leftist worth their salt would know that the succdems and progressives would rather gun him down in the street than to offer even the most token support to him
Sanders lobbied for Warren to run in 2016 and she turned him down to endorse Hillary prematurely. This is a distant cry from Sanders v Warren.
Because there is one dissimilarity it means that this "progressive" challenger isn't here to punch left. Is the next thing you're gonna say that Carter is neither old nor Jewish, and therefore cannot be compared to Sanders?
Of course he’s not fully committed
Then why are you complaining when other leftist organizations aren't going out-of-pocket to help out a half-baked bid?
succdems and progressives would rather gun him down in the street
They're backing another candidate who is campaigning full time, not murdering him in a back alley. FFS my dude, have an ounce of perspective.
Because there is one dissimilarity it means that this “progressive” challenger isn’t here to punch left.
It means you're engaging in some wild revisionism and false-equivalency, because you want to slap snake emojis on a candidate whose primary crime appears to be winning the endorsements you wanted your candidate to get.
Then why are you complaining when other leftist organizations aren’t going out-of-pocket to help out a half-baked bid?
Because there is a negative chance that they would help him if he fully committed, and everyone here (except you) sees that plain as day?
They’re backing another candidate who is campaigning full time, not murdering him in a back alley. FFS my dude, have an ounce of perspective.
I'm talking about what they'd prefer, not what they did holy fuck. Yea they didn't murder him but they're sure as hell not supporting him, and THEY WILL NEVER support him
It means you’re engaging in some wild revisionism and false-equivalency, because you want to slap snake emojis on a candidate whose primary crime appears to be winning the endorsements you wanted your candidate to get.
Oh you're a Warren stan, talking to you is a waste of my fucking time
P.S. Bernie is shit and he's still better than your imperialist girlboss slay kween
P.S. Bernie is shit and he’s still better than your imperialist girlboss slay kween
Blackpilled.
You hate to see it.
Why yes I think that the best person to lead the most genocidal nation to ever exist is someone who wants to nuke Yugoslavia
You're about 30 years late to the party, if that's your biggest foreign policy concern.
Ah yes we should forgive people for their bad takes when they don't even think they were bad takes or apologize for them because surely it doesn't indicate some underlying belief or flaw that will lead to awful outcomes if granted power in the future!
The reason I dunk on Bernie for wanting to nuke Yugoslavia in the past is not because I believe he will nuke them if he takes power in the future.
It's because in order to have that opinion, he must have some underlying belief or flaw that leads to him having held that opinion in the past
I believe that belief or flaw will lead to awful outcomes in the future
Just because you are illiterate doesn't mean everyone else is
Still not doing anything to address my original point that you lukewarm progressives do nothing but hamstring the left
Damn. Probably helped that the Jennifer vote is split, too.
Amazing that he was able to do it. They'll still ratfuck him, right? They'll not let him win the election, will they?
They're not gonna need to ratfuck him. He's running like a distant fourth right now in polls of actual voters, not random Twitter people. He had to take a month off fundraising because he's still in office. Carter is great, but this run is about building name recognition and getting ideas out there, not winning.
We'll find out. My theory is that while they can ratfuck someone in a close race (remember how pre-Super Tuesday projections had Bernie maybe winning a slim majority of delegates), it's much more difficult to ratfuck a clear winner. If someone can win a clear majority of delegates, they can't win with the "get all the centrist opponents to drop out and endorse Biden" trick. If we're talking about vote fudging, it's more believable and probably requires less conspirators to flip a close race than a race with an obvious favorite. If it's ginning up some Alex Morse-style allegation, a clear favorite can bleed more voters and still win. If it's some unprecedented procedural fuckery (I don't know, maybe expelling him from the party or something?), it's more obviously a scam with a clear favorite, and a clear favorite has a better chance of running a competitive third party campaign.
he’s not gunma be a clear winner hes polling at single digits lol twitter isn’t representative of real life
I didn't say twitter was real life, and I didn't say he would be a clear winner. My point is that the margin of victory is probably a factor in how easy it is to ratfuck a candidate.
