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this falls into the "Pol Pot" category of things leftists should care about
Pickup drivers don't deserve "the wall". We're not going to kill pickup drivers.
Lifted trucks can be good for working too. I have a lifted f-350 which is totally a work vehicle. Try carrying 3000lbs of gravel over rough off road terrain with out a lift kit. The only other way to do that is with a tractor which is even more expensive then the truck.
I've been wanting to get a lift kit for my ford ranger because the dirt road i live on floods almost monthly, and i can barely clear it with my current setup.
Thats a hell of a lot flooding. Would over sized tires work? they would provide some extra lift and be wider so less danger of getting caught in a current.
I've got oversized tires on right now. The flooding is mostly because the riverbank is higher than the road itself. River was lower when the road used to be a designated logging road, but a dam was put in place and diverted a lot of the water into the stream. Its not overwhelming for the truck itself, but i err on the side of caution to begin with.
Pickup trucks are no vehicle of the "working man". Trucks cost far more than a car and consume way more gasoline. Trucks are only advertised as the "working man's vehicle" so that bourgies can cosplay as proles.
edit/ To all the people commenting that pickup trucks are a tool in the production process, ie means of production. What is the name of the economic class that performs labor but also owns their own means of production? Not the proletariat.
edit2/ I read all of the replies to this post. I don't want to reply to them all.
I know that owning tools does not make you bourgeois. I know that owning a pickup truck does not make you bourgeois. I know that bringing your own tools to your wage work does not make you bourgeois.
I may have worded my post poorly. This post was meant to be an observation of how pickup trucks are inaccessible to most working class people.
Plenty of jobs require pickup trucks. Basically anything where you might regularly need to tow something or haul awkwardly-sized material on a regular basis. Think construction, lawn care, maintenance, agriculture, mining, etc. Tons of people buy them as an unnecessary status symbol, sure, but there are tons of real uses for them.
We need utes and small unibody trucks for this. There are like 7 people in the world that need an F-250 to tow around an entire herd of horses. Most people with trucks treat them exactly the same as they'd treat a station wagon. Kids in the back, big slobbery dog in the far back, spends 99% of its time on the road with only the driver inside, never used for towing.
Half of the trucks sold now have premium leather interiors and cost mercedes benz money for what's essentially going to be a bigger commuter car with poorer fuel economy than an f1 car.
I'm a big fan of weird ass cars. I'd recommend something like a [https://www.smythkitcars.com/](Smyth Kit Ute) which I can attest personally to the fit and finish on, having a friend who built one in a couple of weekends and let me borrow it to move once. You could also try and get an imported Kei truck, which can be found on a variety of import sites, or a ton of other sites specific to servicing and selling Kei cars and trucks in the US, though they will all be at least 25 years old, due to US car import laws. (It really should only be like 15 years, 25 is such a stupidly long limit.)
God, that would be so cool. Or get an old toyota corolla with the popup headlights and deliver tofu down a mountain, Initial D style.
They're also insanely expensive lol. They cost as much as, usually more, than most luxury vehicles.
That's what always gets me with the fucking commercials, the dissonance between the advertiser calling truck owners hard working tough boys while the msrp is like 60k lmao
RRRRGH, WORKING MAN! GET YOUR $75,000 PICKUP FOR WORK! GRRR, REAL MEN NEED TO BE ABLE TO RIP THEIR ENTIRE APARTMENT BUILDING OUT OF THE GROUND! THEY NEED A TRUCK THAT COSTS AS MUCH AS A HOUSE!
Eh, everything's imported, even the cars made there for their own domestic market are imported, so it's all ridiculously expensive. Win some, lose some. Cool utes, but also dial up speed broadband. Great Barrier Reef, but also random power outages. Kangaroos, but also Koalas.
Trucks cost far more than a car and consume way more gasoline.
The old school light F-150 style trucks are on par with your sedan and far more efficient than the land-yacht SUV. The new comically oversized "I can't fit my car inside my garage anymore" shit not as much.
Even then, I'd simply ask whether you're using that flat-bed for anything. Like, if you're actually doing construction or maybe you're in sales and you periodically need a truck to do deliveries? Fine. Maybe you legit go fishing or camping on a regular basis? Also fine.
But the assholes that just find the biggest fucking vehicle on the market and do donuts on the inner loop? Fuck you sideways. 100% get the wall.
oh no oh no we're ascribing moral value to individual consumption again! fuck! shit!
This post was not about consumption or morals. It was an observation of the inaccessibility of pickup trucks for most proletarians and the tendency for bourgies to pretend that they are laborers.
I know plenty of tradesmen and other manual laborers who own pickup trucks and get tons of use out of them. Have you ever met a contractor or farmer?
You're talking about petty bourgies and not proles. You say that the person uses the truck in their labor production process. That makes the truck a means of production. Then you say that the person owns the truck, meaning that the person owns their means of production. Owning their means of production makes them not a prole, but instead a member of the petty bourgeoisie.
Lmfao. Drywallers aren't petty bourgeois. Does an employer outsourcing some of the capital expenses of their production (and not the essential ones, but the accesssory!) to the workers really elevate their class status?
You can just use the kitchen knives that FoH uses to crack walnuts. If you buy your own you've started to accumulate fixed capital and thus are already lost and must be purged when the time comes.
I'm basically Jeff Bezos. I was blinded by greed and forgot every restaurant has servers cracking walnuts with a dedicated Walnut Knife.
So I bring my own knives to my cooking job. This is because most kitchens are too cheap to provide decent quality knives if any at all. A lot of construction related stuff you have to bring your own tools as well. A truck is a single tool that can be part of the means of production not the entirety of it. You're still working for a boss, you just need to buy a truck for you to use for him as well.
owning a truck that you use for your job doesn't make you bourgeois literally what the fuck are you talking about
every welder and iron worker and electrician and carpenter and painter and drywaller is bourgeois sorry i dont make the rules
It really depends on the work. They can be a tool like a tractor or a skid steer, or a object to show off with for country cred in the burbs.
People who really use them as a tool don't always daily drive them. example being Andrew Camarata on youtube. He dailys a small Mitsubishi SUV. And before you say something about it still being an SUV, you should see the road to get to his house.
who buys new cars, my truck cost less than any car I've ever owned and I've never bought a new vehicle
Like others said, work trucks, unmodded trucks and even lifted trucks that have clearly been used for their intended purpose are generally fine.
It's the BroDozer drivers that get the wall. Living in Texas, these people are all around me, and they're usually upper-middle class white guys who either got one purely as a status symbol, or because they think that owning a pristine looking, jacked up, Dodge RAM 3500 dually with smokestacks and an LED strip somehow makes them a Redneck. And when that truck isn't parked in front of their half a million dollar gated community McMansion, it's usually sitting parked at their PMC job, or their small business, or barely fitting into a single parking space at the store, and is rarely, if ever, used for anything that a motorcycle couldn't do. It's pure dick-waving excess from some of the worst people in Amerikan society.
The exact kind of people who get angry when you use the term "big man" to make fun of them
but they're critical for the revolution :technical:
I lucked out in buying an early-00s ranger for 4k a few years back. Wayyyyyy prefer driving it daily than my silverado company truck.
I drove my parents 2000 tundra in high school, and it was great. I could get around town with reasonable enough milage, pick up anything that was needed, and go offroading with friends. I don't know why anyone would need something larger unless you are very specifically hauling large items.
As a pedestrian I find driver hatred for people in certain vehicles funny. You're all trash.
I'm all for you getting paid for it.
As a non driver I just find vehicle based stereotypes silly prevalent car owner thing. As someone who doesn't drive and has been almost hit by a wide variety of different vehicle types, I don't really need the microgenres. They're all death machines that most people shouldn't be using.
Damn thats a really good idea. What kind of mirror? Just a handheld vanity mirror?
yeah like a hand mirror you'd have in a bathroom. only do this if you can be sneaky about it and are also willing to potentially incite road rage if you get caught.
I go to work and half the workers drive massive trucks the size of freaking tanks, and I wonder why they need a fucking Abrams to commute in a metropolitan area
Sometimes the more stupid truck freaks park in the end-of-row spots, and it amuses me to see them get stuck when they try to take the sheer corner of the lot exit and their rear wheel gets stuck right on the wooden lot boundary post, because those monsters need a turn radius the size of another car to clear it.
you literally can't even buy a normal sized truck in the us anymore
Yeah, unless you're doing really specific work there's no reason for trucks that big. My parents have a 2000 tundra (they were a lot smaller then) and they've never needed anything bigger even when moving their kids out or doing construction stuff for their house. So many of the newer models are just about posturing.
Drivers of black Audi's gets the wall as well. They are the singlemost arseholiest demographic of motorist.
The preacher in the neighborhood I work in drives an $85,000 Audi and the church just got a gigantic expansion lmao. Whenever I see Matt Christman types call for some leftist-christianity synthesis I just think of DSA versions of guys like this grifting the fuck out of them.
Given how new Audis look, it's kinda impossible not to assume they're about to tailgate you as soon as you see one in rear view. They've actively made it look as aggressive and pissed off and voraciously hungry as possible, like a wheeled shark in a feeding frenzy, and people are buying them exactly because of that.
