https://hexbear.net/post/114618
Post hog
The month long period when we first started telling people to post hog was probably my favorite part of the community, we were completely unstoppable
Imagine being so mad at an internet argument you post pictures of your penis for everyone to see on a public forum.
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They started it! They said I was dishonest! Not true! I'm super honest! Mooooom!
They reaaaaally want people to believe the "covid is man-made" angle for some reason. Almost all of their post history is arguing that China altered it in a lab or some shit :cringe:
Yet they fail to produce evidence for that by posting their hog. Curious.
I skimmed their comments and they seem to be arguing the case presented in this nymag piece, which leftists like Abbie and Robbie Martin have praised for asking important and pertinent questions while also being nearly (but not entirely) devoid of anti-China propaganda. I'm not seeing any indications that they're a chud.
It's a scientific fact that a global flu pandemic in 1977 was caused by a laboratory leak of a particular H1N1 strain, so there's historical precedent for considering this scenario.
I get that the people who do it gain the satisfaction of feeling measured and rational. But we already did this in 2003. I think some of you are too young to remember how people were made to feel crazy for doubting the articles about how Iraq could have WMDs.
10000000% this.
There has not been a single time since then that I have not stood by my demand for concrete evidence and fought every single fucking narrative tooth and nail until getting concrete evidence.
You will not shift my position until you show me concrete fucking evidence.
Until I get concrete evidence the position is that there is no reason to believe it came from a fucking lab.
Show me evidence and I will change my position. Until I get concrete peer reviewed science shut the fuck up pretty please and thank you. I have seen this shit kill literally millions of people too many times now to not fight it.
Somehow this thread went from "show me your peepee lol" to "covid was NOT developed in a lab OK!?!?"
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That's what this user was pushing everywhere on the site right? Seems like a logical step for people talking about a user that was probably up to no good to talk about what they were pushing.
You've convinced me that I need to modify my messaging on the subject to fit the current political realities. I'm used to discussing the lab origin with incredulous friends several months ago before it became part of the national conversation. Now that the hypothesis is in the zeitgeist and is being used to further imperialism, it's more important to acknowledge that the evidence is inconclusive and that dozens of labs in the world could just as easily be the culprit.
I try to synthesize it like this now.
What’s supposed to happen if we’re all reasonable and accept this idea?
If we accept that SARS2 may have come from a lab, it opens up the possibility that China is not merely the victim of a baseless disinformation and smear campaign, but that it could be the framed scapegoat for an accidental or purposeful leak from a US lab. That has implications on our understanding of the very nature of the COVID/China propaganda campaign (it becomes understood as projection), and affects the kind of evidence that we should be on the look out for.
I dunno. I'm sceptical because this was investigated by the west months ago and they found nothing to suggest it was altered or created in any way. Maybe it came from some lab, but to say the Chinese engineered it? Premature at this point. Especially because if there was any substantial evidence you know the west would be having a field day with it, but instead we're getting vague stories like "Did covid come from a Wuhan lab? Who knows, maybe. There are some who suggest that it could."
I'm skeptical too. There is no hard evidence, but there is some circumstantial evidence (namely proximity). Sometimes circumstantial evidence can lead you to hard evidence if you follow the clues, which is why we can't yet dismiss it, but it's still important to keep it in perspective and demand hard evidence for any more authoritative claims going forward.
I agree that the intel community would share with us hard evidence if they had it, which is why I'm suspicious of a frame job. It would be easy to simply release a virus near your intended scapegoat.
They didn't know at the time of the pandemic. It wasn't proven to be a lab leak until 2010.
The origin of the virus is immaterial to the actual response to the pandemic, which is why any investigation should be a low priority at this point from a public policy perspective.
I agree that it could be easily utilized as propaganda, which is why I wouldn't run the story if I were a newspaper editor.
But just because something is used as propaganda doesn't mean it isn't true, and we're just a couple of comrades talking on a bear website about what we think might be true.
It took forty years because PCR technology didn't exist in the 70s. We have the technology today to prove these things immediately upon access to the evidence.
If it did come from a lab then that means it could have come from a US lab, which would mean all of the propaganda is projection.
At this point, unless you're spamming trans-hate or posting Kerry cringe, you're usually pretty safe.
Hey @Dirt_Owl . I'm gonna copy-paste my message from somewhere else because I was talking about it with some of my friends :
I think it's not a good idea to switch into "post hog" mode too soon and when it's not entirely clear that the person you're now bullying is actually a chud/troll, and in this case yea, I think it's too soon. It can become very weird and gross, and the "post hog" thing is already weird and gross, albeit effective on the right target. The right target was also on reddit, and hexbear isn't reddit. I feel like this is still kinda carrying some reddit-brainism in some way and I don't know if it's in any way useful/effective enough on hexbear to justify the negative effects.
Buuuuut, I also think the user that got bullied rightfully got push back, this media narrative needs to be kill-on-sight. It's extremely worrying how a lot of the left accepts it just on technicalities (oh no it escaped a lab but they weren't doing it purposefully), which of course if this version of the narrative ends up working it will not stop there, the leftists who support it will then go "Oh no! I didn't want to blame china, I just thought it was plausible and a valid theory that it could have accidentally escaped!"
There you go. This isn't against you personally, but I felt like I should share my thoughts on this.
Personally think "peepee or gtfo" is hilarious.
Making some people uncomfortable is good actually. Men being forced to feel a bit of sexual discomfort is a good way to highlight the creepiness of sexist behaviour and I miss unapologetically making men feel uncomfortable from the /r/shitredditsays days.
No I agree! But there's the gray area of: Is the person you're doing to actually deserving of it (chud/troll/etc) or is it more internal debate/confusion which to me doesn't warrant this, and also is the person you're doing it to a dumb fucking reddit guy or not. If someone after a heated conversation does this to an enby or trans comrade for example, I don't really like that at all.
It's about target I guess, and I'm wary of people jumping the gun and piling on a bit too early. I'm not comfortable with people having an "excusable" form of being creepy and harassing if it sneakily extends beyond justifiable targets. I don't know if I'm being clear, sorry. I do get your point tho.
Mistakes should be fine too though? To a leftist getting called a chud is going to be more upsetting than the show me your dick part. Anyone that knows what the purpose of "post hog" is will immediately be like "Oh no what am I saying that is making people think I'm a chud?" rather than getting uptight about the thing itself. Why? Because every leftist here knows it's not a legitimate request to post hog.
You said this way better than I could as a shit bird. Thank you 4 being gud with mouth words.
I said making men uncomfortable is good actually.
SRS was fantastic and I miss its active period often. Reddit lost its shit about us every single day and it was probably the most enjoyment I ever got out of that site.
I agree. That's what post hog is supposed to be, right? Using the Chud sexism against them. Considering all the times I was told "Tits or GTFO" it feels good to dish it back.
Reddit lost its shit about us every single day and it was probably the most enjoyment I ever got out of that site.
Frankly, this is the real reason we enjoy the "post hog" meme. It's just our version of triggering the libs -- directing spite at people you despise is enjoyable. This is the honest motivation, and stuff about highlighting the creepiness of sexist behavior is the cover we give ourselves. Obviously the target isn't going to get that from "post hog," and anyone reading along probably isn't, either.
More broadly, we need to reconsider whether being assholes to people online is the best way to get wherever we're trying to go.
Where are we "trying to go" ? If you're referring to site growth I have a very hard time thinking post hog has anything to do with site growth when worse exists elsewhere. Site growth is a content and advertising problem rather than a comments section problem.
That's a good question. Bullying trolls and chuds is a good way to get them to leave, but that's kind of it. Being an asshole online (in many forms, not just telling people to post hog on here) has some big limitations if the goal is anything else.
I think one of the more important jobs it does is dismantle the image of the left as weak, an image that has been very successfully forced on the left due to the way liberal moralisers have always behaved. We must be careful not to become moralisers, and utilise available strategies as and when they are appropriate tools to do so.
Our community image online should be one that creates curiosity in people when they hear about us. If the chuds talk about us as absolute psychopaths that make them uncomfortable while the left talks about us as a place that has cool content and cooler people then we would be doing something right. What we need to focus on however is the content, having content here that is consistently the content people want to see elsewhere.
Why? Because content can't be propagandised about. You can't go into discords and reddit communities and tell people that all we do is have struggle sessions and fight over pronouns or vegans or whatever silly shit is flavour of the week in regards to CONTENT. People will see Hexbear content posted elsewhere and say "I want to see more of this" and thus come to the site.
What matters is content, content, content. The community behaviour is actually secondary and simply something internal in my opinion.
Yes I did. Making men uncomfortable is extremely powerful for women's liberation. Own medicine from time to time helps a lot, particularly with the people that completely lack empathy, many people need to physically feel it first in order to then empathise with it correctly.
Yeah, I'm pretty good at spotting a concern troll fairly early, but you are right. I should be careful not to come across as a creep if I end up guessing wrong one day.
naw dont get self conscious.
if you evr arent sure tho tag me and ill tell em to post hog
You're actually terrible at spotting a concern troll, because I'm not one. I've been commenting on various accounts here and in the old /r/CTH for several years. That's why I took such offense.
I know, you're taking up valuable hog posting time. You hate to see it.
A post-post-pig-poop-balls community, PPPPB if you will :thonk:
hexbear isn’t reddit
same class, same material interests, Papa Johns
(oh no it escaped a lab but they weren’t doing it purposefully)
accidentally escaped
Neoliberal (libertarian) capitalism is defined by privatization of industries that are normally socially controlled. It's probably Obama's fault for his lack of attention towards the increasingly deregulated academic industrial complex
counterpnt: posting hog is fnny & if theyr here then they can handl it as a digg
I agree with your first part, but I don't think theory needs to be kill-on-sight. Despite the huge political ramifications, the origin of the virus is still fundamentally a scientific question, and that entails considering every possibility that's scientifically plausible. We just have to be careful about how we integrate those facts into our worldview and discourse.
For example, consider a hypothetical racist who argues that the fact that the AIDS virus originated in Africa is somehow evidence of the inferiority of black culture. The right way to argue against logic isn't to push back against the proximal history of the virus, it's to point out the absurdity of using that fact to denigrate an entire group of people.
I don't know if you've seen this thread : https://hexbear.net/post/114586 but I feel like it's a very good one with great discussions.
It doesn't matter if it's "possible", this is not in the realm of a scientific question because this is happening in the media. The media isn't scientific, the media has agendas and interests, and there's a clear pivot and realignment with the american libs/democrats/biden behind this. Even acknowledging it's possible is giving them ground, because there is not even any reason to ENTERTAIN the idea. Nothing has emerged, no evidence point to it, the few things that the media is focusing on is either entirely (and provably) made-up, or has as a sole source the US state.
This isn't the discussion that is happening in the scientific sphere, a discussion that ALREADY happened and was already thoroughly looked into because yes, it is important for the scientific community. What's happening is entirely in the media sphere, not in the scientific one. This is media trench-warfare, entertaining this as a "possibility" is giving ground, it will be followed by more, and more, and more, and more, to push into the new cold war agenda and justify specific actions. The truth doesn't matter to them, and I don't want us to get played.
I'm aware of that bogus intel/media dump based on the supposed hospitalization rate in Wuhan or whatever.
I'm talking about the scientific discussion I alluded to here, which predates that story by a few months.
Interesting, thanks for sharing. In this case, it's a difficult dance. Because if it can, any kind of discussion/concern/acknowledgment will be used to further the media narrative, regardless of the original intention.
Because the origin of the virus is still unknown, and learning the truth requires entertaining possibilities and investigating them.
You realize it's going to be the United States "intelligence community" doing this investigating right, like practically speaking
I realize that any public calls for investigations related to China would be fraught and simply used as cover for imperial meddling, which is why I would tread carefully if I was an authority figure with any kind of broad public audience, and would probably avoid the world altogether.
I was speaking hypothetically/philosophically about the necessity for looking down all avenues. The reason I entertain these ideas personally is because I'm very curious about the virus. I'm a scientist, I can't help myself.
I agree, except because we don't yet know the truth, asserting that it came from a lab at this point is bold.
There's a difference between acknowledging the possibility that it came from a lab and asserting that as a fact. Probably the best way to do the former while countering the propaganda angle is to say that when you mean it might have come from a lab, you're talking about a U.S. lab.
Bonus points if you mention that incredulously, in the style of "well of course we're talking about a U.S. lab, we're naturally the ones most likely to do something this shitty."
Did they say it was fact, or a possibility that we shouldn't poo poo (pig poo?)
Sounds like hysterics to me. Everything so far points to this being a spillover from an animal and animalistic in its entire origin.
Unless some credible source says otherwise I’m not going to worry about any other small possible point of origin.
I am the banned subject of this dunk and you are correct. I have been around since /r/CTH and I was one of the original "post hog" people.
I'm absolutely disgusted by the use of it here to shut down legitimate discussion. Anybody who read the entirety of that thread could see I was participating in good faith.
I'm not going to re-litigate this here but the lab theory is not propaganda and the harder this community fights it the more disconnected from reality it will become.
Motherfuckas always forgetting, that under all these cats emojis....WE'RE STILL THE SAME FUCKIN DIRTBAGS!! :sicko-beaming:
Ah I saw this last night when it was still fresh slop and said "this reeks of smug liberalism... LETS HIT THE NKVD REPORT BUTTON!"
This site claims to be volcel yet the users keep demanding to see hogs :thonk:
Didn't post hog when instructed very :amogus: but yeah 1 month account with under 200 comments wreaks of wrecker.
I am more worried about why his comment about it being a possibility got 15 upvotes. Yikes. Western leftists carrying water for state department yet again.
