This Friday evening, the President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro Moros, held a meeting with representatives of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), the largest left-leaning political organization in the United States.

Happy to say ive heard lots of great things from comrades who were there who include several NPC members.

https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1411121788701052933

https://twitter.com/Gaius_Gracchus_/status/1411129317208244224

https://twitter.com/nicolasmaduro/status/1411150426049810434

:maduro-coffee:

  • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    But I was told the DSA was full of social imperialists, and that they weren't True Leftists

      • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        lol i really do hear this kind of fed shit all the time from terminally online people on like r/genzedong

        • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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          4 years ago

          I think the real motivation behind this kind of sentiment is, (to paraphrase :matt:), doing praxis is cringe, building dual power is cringe, you cannot and will not swing against the capitalists without sacrificing the perfect, unassailable righteousness of internet leftism. The world will ask you and your comrades questions which you do not yet know the answer to, and which the dead movements of the past cannot answer sufficiently, because your task is to create from whole cloth a world that has never existed before.

          • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Theres definitely a weird defeatism about it all, because the reality is the choices we have in what we engage with in regards to building a socialist movement here are limited, and thats true of anywhere. I think DSA will play a central role in the development of this movement here and theres lots of stuff that sucks about this org but thats more indicative of the general left here in the US more so than DSA itself, cause this whole Venezuela delegation is ran by the National Political Committee, so its not like its some random thing. But also its a lot of work and constant dedication and its not fun all the time and you lose a lot so i get why ppl might not all jump on board or have hesitations but i dont think its optional and the faster ppl jump on board and try to figure all this shit out together the quicker we get somewhere.

            • black_mold_futures [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              the reality is the choices we have in what we engage with in regards to building a socialist movement here are limited,

              "the reality is (lots of words to obscure historical materialism)" Ok Karen!

              the faster ppl jump on board and try to figure all this shit out together the quicker we get somewhere

              "get on board to go somewhere" Biden 2024

        • Vncredleader
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          4 years ago

          Do I just miss the good posts on there?

        • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I was talking to a comrade once and he said if we know a fed is in, we make them do the dumbest tasks.

    • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Class traitor bourgeoisie settlers: "Oh no my fancy coffee is $1 more, time to vote for Trump"

      Me the one true leftist: "check out my cool new meme about groups being feds based on what my favorite podcaster just told me"

      • ShitPosterior [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Me the galaxy brained leftist: buys chiapas coffee from the schools for chiapas squad - probably the closest place to communism on the planet.

        Sip those sweet sweet grounds 👌🏿

    • Vncredleader
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      4 years ago

      Didn't you make this comment at least once already? How many people are living rent free in your head? Plus if these people exist and are that cynical they can just say the CPC met with CPUSA recently and we know they are an asset

        • Vncredleader
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          4 years ago

          I swear people have complained before about an imagined/predicted response to DSA meeting Maduro. Like wait till those posts come in before deciding that people are making them everywhere, or that cynical online-poisoned folks are gonna seethe over this when they can just point to CPUSA. It just feels petty towards people who, if they exist, are so minuscule.

          feels pretty :LIB:

          edit: found the thread iirc, geez its a massacre, like half the comments are deleted. https://hexbear.net/post/111753

          • comi [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            So exactly the responses you’re saying are imagined lol?

              • comi [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Well, yeah, which implies half of the responses are “deliberately ignoring”

                • Vncredleader
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                  4 years ago

                  I mean probably, but also they seemingly don't make up some major force. I like this comment though

                  God half this thread is people deliberately ignoring that the IC has repeatedly supported Maduro’s gov, and is going to Peru as left-wing election monitors. Maybe I’m expecting too much of people, but the least you could do is read some shit by the people you’re sure are the grave-diggers of the American left’s future

                  I am not saying no one criticized DSA, but I don't understand the attitude that this is a dunk on a massive or vocal subset of people here. People who have been shocked have been called out and deleted their comments, so its not like this is some major contingent, or at least one that would take them meeting as reason to reverse whatever stance they boxed themselves into. Like I said, someone who wants to hate DSA will just say that the CPC met with CPUSA recently.

                  Anyone who is dunked on is either those people here who are ignorant and deleted their comments after being informed, OR they are ultras who care more about bitching about DSA all the time and it wont matter to them either way. That's what I am saying, the two types no better now and are willing to change, or are those aholes we all know on twitter who respond to every DSA tweet with vitriol. The dunking just seems more like self aggrandizing spite than anything. No one is standing by their "DSA is social imperialist, how could they go to meet Maduro!?!" stance here if they had it. I don't like that the response to something good is envisioning someone to get mad at.

                  I should have clarified that better, but hey you engaged in good faith so thanks. that's different

                  • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    No one is standing by their “DSA is social imperialist, how could they go to meet Maduro!?!” stance here if they had it

                    This is from three days ago. Plenty of people are still beating the "social imperialist" drum.

                    There's plenty of room for criticism of the DSA, but that criticism shouldn't be selective or done in bad faith.

                  • comi [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    By upbears probably, but we have some of them, dunk doesn’t imply that’s significant majority or major subset, just that such people exist :meow-floppy:

                    Like honestly biggest problem of socdems always been imperialism, if dsa is going so far out of the way to be different - good for them, they are nice cuddly socdems instead of m4a and chill kind imperialist ones.

                    dsa frequently catch strays of “objective wing” from euro socdem history and current shenanigans :sadness: so they can have some fun now :comfy-cool:

    • black_mold_futures [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      But I was told the DSA was full of social imperialists,

      the green new deal relies on exploitation of Latin America, but if we meet them on tv then its fine :maybe-later-kiddo: