Dan Cringeshaw
didn’t pay for it by exploiting the labor value of employees
I think this is a really important point that has gone overlooked. He has thousands of viewers per stream. He's the worker who has been exploited; whatever he paid for his house, he has lost that much to bezos already
well paid entertainers are NOT exploited out of their labour value, they’re exploited out of their marginal value.
Entertainment scales very cheaply. So it is relatively difficult to define "labor value" absent marginal value. Increasing an audience at log scale yields significantn revenue with minimal work added. But the initial labor input is what defines the scale of your audience.
you define their labour value the same was as every other worker
Sure. And then the no-show job pays as well as the guy mucking shit, and we at least pretend at equality via equitable quality of life.
But from a real analytical sense, certain tasks produce more use-value than others. Economies of scale reward individuals who can generate high volume of product with the same limited pool of capital.
i think it’s absurd for any socialist to say a coal miner should make one tenth of what someone who plays video games all day
I think its absurd to say we should still be digging coal, period.
Past that, entertainment has use value. The reason entertainment scales faster than coal mining is simply due to the cost of generating new units being relatively low.
If it makes you feel any better, entertainment has a relatively short shelf life. The value of Hasan's new content depreciates far more rapidly than the value of mining machinery or the commodities they yield.
Odds are, Hasan's career will expire within a few years. Meanwhile, fossil fuel giants will remain profitable until humanity cooks itself to death.
I meant you define their labour value in the same manner meaning workers with jobs more demanding are compensated better than those with less physically or mentally demanding jobs
Even then, if you want to talk about economic optimization, you have to distinguish between hard jobs and busy work.
i used coal mining as an example of difficult work, not as an symbol of my desire for more coal
I've seen "coal miner" held up as this kind of blue collar martyr far too many times, when the career should have been exhausted decades ago. This kind of job isn't unique. And there are lots of ways to make sure they suck less that have nothing to do with what a YouTube star does to make a living.
entertainment requiring less capital investment than say manufacturing doesn’t mean that entertainment has either higher use value or higher labor value
It's an apples to oranges problem. Weighting a lump of coal against an hour of TV content only works when you attack it from a strict market model. And even then, it boils down to this Friedmanesque view of exchange value, rather than labor or use value.
At a certain point, you're better off abandoning the view and attacking things from the perspective of a guy like Richard Wolfe. Stop asking how much an hour of labor is worth and start asking how much an hour of labor is needed. If you hit a point at which we've generated all the coal we need for the year, there's no need to keep churning it out. Then, if coal miners want to use their free time to do Twitch Streaming, more power to them. And if they can get people to shower them with gifts in the process, that's outside the scope of a central planner's purview. It only matters in the broad sense of "entertainment has value that consumers demand" and not in the granular sense of "we need to strictly regulate how much a single individual streamer can earn in order to be fair to coal miners".
But what about the innocent hardworking twitch software engineers Hasan is exploiting by not paying them wages?
He's a user of the platform not the owner? If twitch became a co-op tomorrow morning (do eeeeeet) he wouldn't be affected in the least. Conversely, if he left it, the programmers wouldn't be affected either.
Of course no one should give a shit about this, but despite it just being personal property, no one needs an LA mansion.
I looked it up because I was curious and find all the brouhaha over this rather silly and it's a nice house but definitely not a mansion.
Broke: Renting
Woke: Buying a house
Bespoke: Buying an apartment block and forming a commune
if you buy a house in LA you can expect to pay like 1 million for it at least, and its not like that will even get you anything good. so piker got an okay personal house in an expensive city. cool. whatever. let me know when he becomes a landlord.
Right or like, what else should he do with the money? Invest in exploitative corporations via the stock market? Become a landlord like you said? Maybe there's better stuff he could do like start a co-op with it or something, but there's a lot worse he could do, too.
(Though as a Californian I gotta say even in LA, $2.7m is still getting you a pretty nice house IMO)
This weird Calvinist "You must live maximally pure ascetic lives to be in the elect" is a brainworm US leftists need to drop. Kropotkin was a leftist, Engles was a leftist. Class traitors exist, rich workers exist.
All this guy did was buy a fucking nice house for him and his extended family, and his brother's family.
The last fucking Emperor of China was a communist.
That should speak volumes to anyone
To some people you never stop being royalty since it's in your divinely annointed blood, therefore even without living in the forbidden palace, Emperor Puyi was still the Emperor of China and a goddamn commie!
Henry Puyi was a weak man whose reign led to hard times. He did whatever anyone told him to do, which is how he ended up as a puppet of the Japanese. He couldn't even get girls either, when it was time for him to have a wife he went to a high school and kidnapped one of them. What a loser.
Don't blame our divinely mandated failson for following his destiny of being a piece of shit before being redeemed by the Reds
tho he did have a fun eunuch hang out with him for a long time :thonk:
divinely mandated femboys
If socialists won't practice what they preach, then who will? Socialism is as much a moral argument as an economic one; if the opinion leaders won't follow their own advice then it's just going to feed these Fox News chuds with ammunition, and they'll say the whole socialist movement is just a grift like Jimmy Falwell.
What part of socialism is against personal home ownership? Cuba has one of the highest rates of home ownership in the world.
Luxury home ownership is the issue here. It's very bad optics. It looks a lot like joining the enemy, or at least giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Serious "Bernie has a Dacha" vibes here.
We're never going to win if we subscribe to the same moral calculus as the enemy. The point is to destroy capitalist morality, not beat them at it.
It's not bad optics we all deserve luxury homes luxury homes are good optics
Playing by your enemies rules works out great! Just ask your old pal Baked Potato Johnson how his divorce went after he signed a prenup his exwife wrote!
Go on do, it! I'm all ears.
i live in the rural northwest so you could get some pretty beefy houses with 2.7 million in comparison to LA. like i just looked up a house on zillow in LA for 2.9 mill and yeah it looks like a house that would be maybe 600-700k here. maybe less. sure its definitely fancy looking but most prices in LA for housing are multiplied by like 3 or 4 in comparison to normal parts of america
the real question is, why LA? youre a streamer lol, go live in montana like a king
I'm going to guess that he probably just has friends and such in LA. Azan likes his treats just as much as everyone else, as well.
yeah. its just for some reason people have this warped view of socialism, that you need to take vows of poverty and make your own life miserable. like sure, its great to help your fellow dudes out. but its also ok to just make sure you arent fucking anyone else over.
Like, someone's going to live in that house. We have to normalize dense affordable housing a shit tom before "let's demolish Hollywood to build council housing" becomes a politically viable option. I'd rather it be Hasan than another fucking ghoul. Socialism isn't asceticism, the point is entirely that we passed the technology threshold to give everyone plenty without forcing a communal poverty.
the real question is, why LA? youre a streamer lol, go live in montana like a king
Funny enough I have family in Montana in a touristy area, and it's even weirder there than in LA. People literally knocking on their door asking to buy their house. They paid like $200k for their house and they told me they could sell it for 3x-4x that. No way this thing doesn't blow up.
Lots of smart people won't live anywhere but the coasts. As professionals, they would rather eat glass than live in a so called "flyover" state. They have in-demand skills and have zero desire to live in places that are small minded, lack diversity, and lack interesting and rich culture. The coasts are chock full of diverse immigrants and unique people who have no desire to live in a conformist mono-chromatic culture. Top talents don't want to eat breakfast at the Waffle House.
They have in-demand skills and have zero desire to live in places that are small minded, lack diversity, and lack interesting and rich culture. The coasts are chock full of diverse immigrants and unique people who have no desire to live in a conformist mono-chromatic culture. Top talents don’t want to eat breakfast at the Waffle House.
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Not super familiar with streaming specifically, but I know a lot of YouTubers and internet personalities more generally all end up down there for content creation/networking. A lot easier than having to fly down there constantly.
Oddly enough, many people have placed their fucks into orbit about this!
When your criticism is repeated word-for-word by Fox News, it's time to step back and be really sure you have a good one
Fox news is saying that social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism and tyt is a democratic party front? Wow they must have really taken a turn
On the bright side - Leftist infighting is now newsworthy. It's a threat that needs to be dealt with very publicly to head off curious minds learning about it from a lefty.
Was there a Hasan / house struggle session yesterday? I got busy with work stuff for a bit and I feel like I must've missed it or something.
Oh fuck the chuds are discovering leftist infighting
Look I know that social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism but calling Dan Crenshaw a succdem is going a bit far!
Buying a McMansion is a scathing rebuke of socialism.
I will support or make fun of Paker depending on what the house looks like
Hahaha I just read the subhead, didn't know Hasan was doing for-profit socialism on Twitch.tv, great insight, Random User!
