https://nitter.net/marina0swald/status/1588256345857589248

I didn't watch the episode because their 9/11 episodes led me not to trust them on conspiracy stuff. It looks like I made the right call. Did they really buy the Warren Commission? Lol. Lmao.

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I'm so relieved to hear you say that because I thought I was the only no-planer around here! I brought up the issue one time and another hexbear user really went debatey on me and I've been afraid to mention it ever since. Was it Ace Baker's videos you saw? Hey, remember when that Ken Westley guy posted new 9/11 footage back in February and his LinkedIn listed extensive CGI experience?

      • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        I’m putting my foot down here. Everyone saw the fucking planes, unless you’re gonna suggest mass hypnosis by the CIA. This is fucking ridiculous. :picard:

        • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I get it, comrade, it's a big pill to swallow. However, it's not accurate to claim that everyone saw the planes (perhaps you weren't being literal).

        • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I’m putting my foot down here

          The line must be drawn HERE! This far; no further! :picard-direct-action:

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        You guys have got to be kidding. Thousands and thousands of witnesses saw the planes.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              aight I'm going to grab my bong and try to give you a redpill executive summary. Hold my beer and give me a few minutes.

              Edit: Post.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              https://streamable.com/gttxfu

              Eyewitnesses

              "I never actually saw a plane hit the building. I never saw that. I saw it on television, but I never saw it while I was standing there."

              ---Stephen M. Gregory, retired New York Fire Department Assistant Fire Commissioner

              “I did not see a plane go in, that just exploded.”

              ---ABC reporter Don Dahler

              It is a myth that thousands of people actually saw a plane. Surrounded by tall buildings few people in New York’s business district actually had a decent view of the WTC towers. Few people reported actually hearing and seeing planes. Most testimonies of those who did are inconsistent with that of a wide-body commercial airliner hitting a building at 800 feet altitude, full throttle. Meanwhile, it was a simple matter for the TV networks to keep the eyewitnesses who didn’t see a plane off the air. A very small percentage of the approximately 500 First Responders at the WTC reported seeing commercial airliners. An even smaller number reported hearing them. A jet plane takeoff at 300 feet altitude is 10 times louder than a rock concert. There are witnesses who saw the South Tower explode but did not see a plane strike the tower.

              “The closer you were, the less you knew.”

              ---Police Chief Joe Esposito, NYPD

              “It was almost like the closer you were, the less you knew…As we look back, we were the least informed.”

              ---Battalion Chief Joseph Pfeifer, FDNY

              Survey results of 117 witnesses

              • Only 19 of the witnesses near the WTC reported actually seeing plane 2 before impact and, as a percentage of total number near the WTC, this was 20%.
              • Only 20 of the witnesses near the WTC reported actually hearing plane 2 before impact and as a percentage of total number near the WTC, this was 21%.
              • Only 8 of the witnesses near the WTC reported actually seeing and hearing plane 2 before impact and as a percentage of total number near the WTC, this was 8.3%.

              Source for the above info

              TV > Real Life.

              Hundreds of people saw it happen in person, but billions saw it on TV. The Mandela Effect can explain why a few witnesses remember, years later, seeing the plane in person. It's just like those people who "remember" seeing the (non-existant) footage of Tank Man getting crushed by the Chinese tanks.

              What about all the videos of the plane?

              Ace Baker has a good video on the capabilities of live video compositing.

              Irregularities and clues in the footage

              1. Chopper 5 footage appears to show a mistake in live video compositing and attempts to correct the mistake. As shown in Ace Baker’s video, it looks as if the layer mask slipped a little to the left and allowed the nose of the plane to peak through to the other side. This was followed by a sudden cut in the video feed that was likely deliberate and not the result of a lost connection, as if the error was noticed.

              2. The plane clips into the tower without causing any visible destruction to the tower, or itself crumpling, until after it disappears completely, and then an explosion emanates from within.

              3. No wake vortex. Airplanes are trailed by a column of moving air which takes minutes to dissipate. In no footage will you see any disturbances in the smoke cloud.

              4. No flexing or bending of the wings. It's been debated whether the aircraft could even travel at 200 mph above its maximum operating velocity without its wings breaking into pieces, but assuming it could do so it would be shaking and bending violently, but in the videos it's always completely rigid.

                • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Here's a mirror.

                  The bigger the lie, etc. Also it's effective to make the lie traumatic so that it gets cemented deeper in your psyche.

              • MattsAlt [comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                What is believed to have happened to the two planes that hit the towers in the no plane theories? I'm unfamiliar in general, not deboonking

                  • MattsAlt [comrade/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    Very interesting, thanks!

                    E: that was a very interesting video, the cell phones were not something I'd considered much but the details are hard to ignore. I got chills hearing CeeCee's phone call and final whisper

                      • MattsAlt [comrade/them]
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                        2 years ago

                        I already believed the one plane that went down in a field was more likely shot down and the famous let's roll was a carefully placed bit for Americans to grasp on to during the aftermath.

                        I just don't know what else that whisper could be and having flown in planes since before 9/11 with a cell phone, it's a good point I'd never considered

                          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                            2 years ago

                            Why didn’t they just stick to the airplane phones

                            Because people make mistakes and some boomer at the CIA assumed that cell phones would work. :shrug-outta-hecks: I suppose it also makes it more likely that their relatives would recognize the number and pick up the phone.

                            People say "do you think it would be possible for them to pull off such an elaborate plan without making any mistakes?" And when you point out an error different people say "do you really think they would make such a big mistake?"

                          • MattsAlt [comrade/them]
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                            2 years ago

                            Yeah it is curious why they'd do something that could be proven not possible later, maybe an individual airplane phone would have meant taking too long for everyone to make the calls they needed to within the timeframe they were targeting?

                            Agreed on the piloting experience. I remember watching a documentary on the attacks over a decade ago and the hijacker's level of training and maneuvers they supposedly pulled off, especially at the Pentagon, pilled me on something being fishy at least

      • thisismyrealname [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        please explain to me how the fuck they would have faked planes flying into buildings in front of thousands if not tens of thousands of people

        • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Oh you were joking lol (I wasn't). Well, at least I still got Liz on my side. :shrug-outta-hecks:

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Ah fuk I linked the wrong thing I meant this. https://hexbear.net/post/231555/comment/2961795

              But yes, that was from the pearl harbor one.

            • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              I'm curious too. I'm like 50/50. I don't claim to know anything about 9/11 for certain; I have extreme humility.

              Is new pearl harbor the ace baker one?

              No, this is the pearl harbor one.

      • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        That it was a cruise missile or something like that that hit the pentagon and not a hijacked plane

        • panopticon [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          (pieces of disintegrated fuselage are scattered throughout the lawn and building, area and shape of the damage to the outside walls is congruent with the cross section of an airplane, there's intact parts of airplane engines also just lying there on the fuckin grass)

          (Me, with piercing intuition and relentless critical faculties): hmm looks like a missile hittem

          • Vncredleader [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            The crazy thing is why would you not just use a plane? Like if you are going to fucking blow up your own government's buildings and kill people, why bother using a missile and then taking apart another plane to scatter in the grass? Just use the plane itself. Also nice detail on the missile bs, in those few frames we have of the plane, we see large lampposts being knocked over, ones that are far enough apart provably that plane wings would hit them, but a missile really wouldn't be knocking over like that.

            Like weird specific traits of an airplane hitting are present. Why insist on it being a missile?