51% Yes - 49% No
https://naturalmedicinecolorado.org/
As soon as it kicks in, I'm growing pounds of psilocybin to give away. At least five colonies in a constant rotation. :vot
51% Yes - 49% No
https://naturalmedicinecolorado.org/
As soon as it kicks in, I'm growing pounds of psilocybin to give away. At least five colonies in a constant rotation. :vot
The more i more i listen to true anon the more i think psychedelics are just for controlling the masses
:jesse-wtf: This is a horribe take on so many levels.
Ive written a proper response too many times and each time theres another level of wrongness i need to address. Im ....just too tired.
Why are people micro dosing? Why are people taking small amounts of drugs everyday?
Is it for introspection? Is it to get better at what they do and focus?
Or is the real reason to make life more tolerable. To alter the real world so they can function with in the machine? To shake off the impending doom that incompasses modern usa. And the impending collapse that everyone knows is coming but rather just dose them selves out of thinking about.
Yeah. You have your proper answers. But all the historical facts we have on psychedelic point only in one direction.
Yes they help some people. Do they make others wise they never took it. Yep
The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the usa government in the past spent a lot of time and money on these psychedelics. And that can't be ignored.
i just really enjoy doing drugs
Nothing wrong with that. I used to love herb till it got to strong and makes my back hurt like crazy.
So the US government (or any sort of capitalist structure) is pushing shrooms to....keep people in line?
Come on, man...
No, its because capitalist coporations are blinded by profit. And they see they can make a profit pushing this on to a huge market of depressed people, because it actually does work. But the capitalist is too short sighted to understand or even care that in doing so a shift in societal thinking will take place to be more critical of capitlism. As long as they get a solid payday in the short term.
This is where you need to actually read about what tryptamines do. Pharmacologically they're like SSRIs but that also cause neurogenesis. Why are people taking small amounts of SSRIs? To keep from shooting themselves because of psychiatric disorders. Psychedelics combine that MOA with the benefits of therapy. It doesn't put you in a fantasy land, the visuals are a distraction lasting a couple hours at most every month. If they're microdosing there are no visuals at all beyond being more perceptive of patterns and colours being a bit more vibrant. I don't microdose because I want to leave the matrix or ignore apocalypse, but because it makes hiking more engaging and art more interesting and social situations less anxious.
Suppressing them. They've spent time and money since Nixon suppressing them because he identified them with hippies and socialists. The MKULTRA research you're about to go into only showed that they aren't useful as mind control drugs and that they aren't effective torture devices. The top-down and conservative narratives toward this are solidly against it being used.
Quit being such a :grillman: and read How to Change Your Mind.
You do know this is feeding into my point right? That life is so miserable, that there is no real help for people. That they have resorted to micro dosing to get through the day.
Hippies didn't exist in the 40s and 50s when psycadelics where being heavily researched.
Could they have a positive. Yeah. But right now. They are used solely as a distraction from how horrible life is. So yes. They are a controlling agent for this capitalist system.
Of course hippies existed. Have you ever heard of bohemians? Hippie shit is just a mid-century rehashing of the same orientalism that crackers have been obsessed with for centuries. Mysticism was a 19th century craze well before hippies appropriated it.
People use any medicinal drug because some symptom makes life miserable and there's no other fix. You're ignoring the word neurogenesis there. It's a neurobiological foundation for that fix which takes them out of the conditioned acceptance of it. The context in which it's being given, a gifting culture in Colorado, is the external social component of that fix. In the psilocybin doses that are used therapeutically, it's not a daily happy drug. As a microdose, it's still not a daily happy drug- it's a once every four days drug.
You're wholly talking out of your ass.
I look forward to Colorado rising up in psycadelic enlightenment and throwing off the shackles of modern day.
My sibling in Christ, people have been using psychedlics since the neolithic
So it's nobler to just suffer? "Let's not take medicine because it's capitalism at the root of our sicknesses" is a take I see on here occasionally, and it's never the insight people think it is.
Also you could apply this to literally any other drug, most of which are worse than shrooms and very legal.
This is where the left, imo, gets kinda confusing.
We are against the system. But also for things that extended it's reign and makes it's misery even longer lasting.
I don't really know. Im going to go out side and plant some flowers and touch some grass.
Psychedelics make people question the system. Psychedelics make people more creative. Psychedelics have never extended its reign at all in any way whatsoever.
"You", in so far as the self is a meaningful or useful concept, are about 3 pounds of wet fatty tissue locked in a vault of calcium trying to make sense of random chemical and electrical signals from a bunch of organic sensors that were not designed, but instead stumbled upon by the blind and uncaring process of evolution.
Every human's experience of external reality is ridiculously incomplete and subjective. Tiny doses of mushrooms won't change that.
What can't? That they tried to use psychedelics as truth serums and mind control drugs but after spending a bunch of money and torturing a bunch of poor bastards they found out that you can't actually do that with psychedelics?
Because they have a poor understanding of how drugs effect the body but they want a sense of control over their lives so they take minute amounts of drugs and then ride that placebo effect high in to the sunset?
It's the same reason people take random unregulated supplements or random herbs or homeopathic remedies. They don't know what they're doing but the act of doing something makes them feel good.
That doesn’t make any sense. How could psychedelics even possibly control people? The reason psychedelics are illegal is to control people. People are much more likely to question capitalism after taking psychedelics.
I think you are right. I also think this is true of literally any Treat™ you can think of.
It's only a treat if it doesn't have a productive medicinal purpose. Alcohol? Solidly a treat- when we prescribe it it's only to prevent seizures in severe alcoholics. There are very narrow contexts in which alcohol is useful for a very small subset of people. Cannabis? Trickier. I use it as a treat, but medicinally it has valid uses. A strong indica is a better sleep aid for me than ambien or trazodone without side effects. We have to consider the medical utility alongside its social usage and weigh the meaning of one with the superficiality of the other. And even then, I'm a Marxist despite smoking it at the moment. I'd be a Marxist if I didn't use it tomorrow. It has no bearing on my politics and as a treat is only a healthier alternative to any other treat I'd consume under any other system. If the revolution was won tomorrow I'd still use it both to sleep and because it makes boring things fun. I'd still have to do the dishes and would still garden and would still play video games before bed under socialism, all things markedly better while stoned.
For psychedelics to be an empty treat, they'd need to be recreational. Despite having access to as much psilocybin, DMT, and LSD as I could want, I've never taken it as a substitute for cannabis or beer. I've never considered it a fun alternative to boring sobriety. It's an emotionally intense and meditative experience which might be overwhelming. I feel the same apprehension toward taking it that day that I do when I'm about to get my blood drawn. It actively detracts from the fun I'd otherwise be having while camping, and while it makes sitting in a hammock pretty my idea of fun isn't sitting in a hammock for three hours feeling nauseous and anxious. But medicinally, there's a profound value there. With social anxiety I'd face the same issue sober or on a worse class of anti-anxiety drug or under a better economic system. Microdose and there are none of the side effects or addiction risk of a benzo. With trauma the prescriptions are physically addictive to the point of causing microseizures during withdrawal, are neurotoxic with your largest concentration of serotonin being in your gut's microbiome, and expensive. Psilocybin costs pennies per dose if you grow it and you're able to address that trauma in a novel way as if you're viewing yourself externally. With addiction the rehab industry is predatory and full of religious zealots. Psilocybin snaps you out of the negative thought loops which encourage relapse while providing a positive replacement for the self-medication.
It's more a tool in the psychiatrist's toolkit than it is a treat. Psychiatry has just been structurally denied this kind of drug for half a century and the ones that developed instead don't work as well. Reintroduce it to psychiatry and we're again seeing that it's a way to correct symptoms rather than control them because of how it interacts with the brain on a chemical level. In my ideal world it wouldn't be a contemporary movement clawing its way back to legitimacy- first stolen through religious justification and then by right wing justification- and psilocybin wouldn't be something I have to give people under the table. It'd just be one more compound and probably one of the first they try.
It is the system we all live in. The treats must flow.
Reactionaries and liberals can certainly use them, but I'm a huge proponent of their medical usage and sociopolitical potential. They cause productive introspection and put you in a kind of cognitive chaos mode that scrambles up negative thought loops. If someone's politics are the result of their alienation, psilocybin's really good at snapping you out of that alienated mindset and at least making you question yourself. That's an intervention point for all kinds of Guy who are driven by some pathology. If it's combined with hippie mysticism then it's a distraction and means of social control, but if it's used therapeutically or in a supportive culture it's undermining all the barriers between you and a less traumatised/conditioned/unconnected you.
It's nothing but mysticism and a lot of it is focused on the individual.
There's a reason they are are loosening up on all these drugs. It's too give the public another distraction.
There's mysticism if you're prone to mysticism. There's psychiatry if you're prone to materialism. You can't call the neurological impacts hippie bullshit and those are what have potential. This ballot initiative was a popular vote, not a top-down mandate.
It has neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
Yeah people want another escape than having to do the scary task that is dealing with are impending doom and inaction on it.
It's another great escape
Lamotrigine has neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
Vyvanse has neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
Alzheimers drugs have neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
You just have a really reactionary and dumb understanding of this issue. I'm not saying, nobody is saying, that these are drugs for everyone. A few comments down I even stated the criteria under which I give people psilocybin, and if there are contraindications I don't. If someone has contraindications for any drug they just don't take it. Those who do benefit from it take it.
It has no positives and has been pushed to sell a drug that doesn't work.
Do you even know what reactionary means? People throw that word around now a days.
Reacting negatively to any change in the status quo which might be socially positive because you don't read and go with whatever the worst option is. You might not otherwise be a reactionary, but your take here is so stupid that it's literally what I've heard out of the reactionaries against this bill in Colorado Springs. Minus "but think of the children!" you've actually hit every talking point.
No. Being a reactionary is looking at the past as perfect an example of what today should be. And wanting to bring that to the modern day.
Which is what you're doing. Continuing the past because you don't understand the basics of the alternative.
Yes. My insight that looked at them past ways these drugs where used as controlling agents is reactionary i guess some how.
It's such a vague conspiracy that runs counter to how this initiative passed that yeah, it is. The only difference is that you said government instead of big pharma. Protect Colorado's Kids used big pharma as their control boogeyman.
Again, just read Pollan's How to Change Your Mind. It's not the authority on the subject, it's not the primary research itself, but it's an introductory book about the part of this you don't understand. If all you otherwise have is a conspiracy theory you haven't yet defined, what am I supposed to call you? Certainly not comrade. You want to preserve a worse system for the sake of your ignorance. To keep these drugs criminalised knowing what that means and how much a means of control that is. The nicest word I could call you for saying something so fucking stupid is reactionary.
Im not saying to keep them criminalized
Where did i say that
That's you jumping to conclusions.l and throwing out words that aren't appropriate than trying to make them stick when you are called out about not knowing how to use it properly.
Legalize it. Im just questioning why it's happening now? The same thing that happened to herb will happen to shrooms. It'll become so strong that all these positives you talk about will slowly disappear. It'll just be another doping agent to keep the populace in line.
Comparing it to cannabis is again just not understanding the fundamentals of this class of drug. It's happening now because people have read books like How to Change Your Mind and seen what tryptamines actually are. The research ban was lifted and the subsequent flood of research has shown the psychiatric potential in the way research before hippies was beginning to hint at. It being in the realm of hippie mysticism is a consequence of it not being available in research settings or clinics. That's the repression and control, this is the popular and scientific response against both.
I'm not reading the book bro. Why should I. Where do you think in your happy badgering that you've convinced me to do anything?
All you have done is shove words in my mouth and when i call you out you just try to flip the script.
You should read it for the same reason you hopefully read anything else. You don't currently know something and might be capable of learning. When your current position is this misinformed, reading anything about it would be to your benefit. It doesn't even have to be that book but that's normally the book I give to people before they understand anything about these drugs or how they're used. If I shove any word in your mouth it will be more correct than the ones you shit out of it. Those are some good words so I recommend them in particular.
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That's why I only read Sex Book.
The thing is, they weren’t. The CIA tried, and failed miserably. Why would the state invest millions into suppressing these substances and prohibiting scientific research on them if the master plan was to use them as some kind of, what, mass mind control? How would that work exactly? Even the mass distraction argument doesn’t make any sense when we all carry around distraction/mind control/surveillance devices in our pocket. They have the distraction thing covered, they don’t need psychedelics for that. You really are just spouting ignorant, paranoid tinfoil hat nonsense. I wouldn’t call it a reactionary stance, just a really dumb one.
Corp controlled psychedelics will have very little positive affects on society.
Yes, but no longer throwing people in prisons because they have some fungus in their pocket will.
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:bruh-moment:
I know. Big brain time for sure.
you should do some psychedelics
Most people don’t take psychedelics. The CIA is doing a very bad job at controlling people when the only people access to psychedelics are bazinga brains and other rich people
It’s the other way around really. I can’t imagine being on psychedelics and also believing that capitalism works.
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