51% Yes - 49% No
https://naturalmedicinecolorado.org/
As soon as it kicks in, I'm growing pounds of psilocybin to give away. At least five colonies in a constant rotation. :vot
I considered moving there to grow but it's so much more expensive than other cities nearby. As far as I've heard, no problems have resulted from that decriminalisation.
edit: I also voted against the alcohol-related measures. Fuck the supermarket chains and fuck small business tyrants, especially the ones who only exist to poison the community. If both lose the rest of society wins. I vote against anything which would increase their profits or lower taxation.
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Allowing wine and liquor sales in supermarkets that sell beer. The supermarkets are a Kroger monopoly for the most part.
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Allowing liquor stores to deliver. I'm on the fence about this because it discourages drunk driving to a liquor store, but where it's locally allowed I've seen it become a big part of the stores' business.
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Increasing the number of liquor licenses one person can hold. If someone is wealthy enough to own multiple businesses, they belong in a gulag. I don't want to increase their profit margins across the board or encourage multi-restaurant portfolios.
Very interesting that they don't allow wine to be sold with beer, I personally would have voted for that but not 2 or 3
They sell cooking wine with a high sodium content and there are usually liquor stores in the same stripmalls. I'm not sure what the original rationale for separating the two was. It'd be more personally convenient but not enough so to justify enriching Kroger and Whole Foods more. I also voted against lowering the income tax rate along the same lines- it's a few hundred bucks saved for me but tens of thousands if not millions for the wealthiest in the state.
I’m not sure what the original rationale for separating the two was
separating them reduces use.
I think there's also some Colorado-specific law for small businesses or something. I saw a reddit comment remarking that all of the liquor stores in the state are family-owned.
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They were all anti worker and anti small business measures so it got people to unite against them
so does this mean a person can just go to Colorado and easily find someone to "gift" them stuff? Or is it like decrim where you still have to have connections
In DC there are tons of places you can buy things like “digital art that totally exists don’t worry” and receive a gift of weed or mushrooms, so I’d assume like that
There won't be retail outlets but there will be therapeutic retreats. You'll still need interpersonal gifting for your own supply. For that I recommend the local subreddits or just PM me if you travel here.
That one I'm curious about. It's not a drug I'd try myself but we have a huge addiction epidemic here. Growing some iboga could be interesting.
Yeah definitely interesting. I've heard that your body needs to be completely clean of opiates before using or it will be a bad time/life threatening. Not sure though
It's that physical risk that concerns me. If someone doesn't have a personal/familial history of hallucinatory mental illness and they understand set/setting, I'm totally fine giving away psilocybin because the worst that will happen is some nausea and anxiety. For most it'll just be a beautiful experience if not their first good day in a while, especially at the 2-2.5g I normally give out. Ibogaine's contraindications are more severe so I'd only feel comfortable supplying clinics who can properly screen patients for safety.
I've become extremely wary of gifting DMT now for a similar reason - there's no physical danger, but it's so extremely intense an experience it can easily give you PTSD depending on set & setting / buried trauma.
Shrooms though, I'm fine with too.
Tbh I had a much more intense experience taking an 8th of shrooms than my 2 DMT trips. I had to take a benzo with the shrooms at one point because i was spiraling
Believe me, you likely didn't breakthrough; I find the term slightly overhyped but there is a threshold where you're simply somewhere else at some point.
With that being said, with very large doses shrooms do tend to be just as intense, of course; and it's been called "orally available DMT" for that reason IIRC, I think by Nick Sand. So who knows.
You're right, I didn't break through on dmt. Since then I haven't really had the ability to source or really the want to source. I haven't done psychedelics in like 6 or 7 years and am a little afraid to get back into it lol
am a little afraid to get back into it
I'm taking DMT (at this point for purposes I'd describe as spiritual) semi-regularly and I'm slightly shaking in fear before doing it every time.
I haven’t done psychedelics in like 6 or 7 years
If ever you feel the want (which might be never), it really is easy to extract. It's in fact much easier to source by yourself than, say, shrooms - I still shudder about my bacterial monotubs before I started having some success growing those.
I actually have a connect to get shrooms if I wanted at pretty much any time even though I haven't used it, so if I went back in that direction I would probably go for shrooms
Fair enough; mind you, if you're ever looking for a fun hobby, shroom growing is fascinating. Doesn't have to be psych ones, even growing edible ones is neat.
While I'm going to do Psilocybe cubenesis workshops once this comes into effect, it's only because I want to create a rhizomatic outgrowth of gift giving for intentionally therapeutic use. The culinary mushrooms are where I see the real radical value of teaching fungiculture. It's a kind of easy gardening people can do indoors with a very healthy product grown on waste that replaces meat and sells for a high premium. There's a lot of potential in healing the separation of town and country if culinary fungiculture becomes more widespread and people with limited space can take an active role in their food production with purely local inputs.
Definitely, it doesn't seem like a drug that should be taken on a whim. Should definitely be administered at least with a trained professional sitter or something
Ibogain I know only cause someone told me they used it to self medicate to get off Opioids. Can't really say if it works or not cause we only were in the same hostel for a weekend. Didn't drink, smoke, nor use any other drug during that time as far as I know but was really into doing individual sports.
Did recommend a good beach to dive, too.Ibogaine is also apparently very rough on your body and not really a fun experience for most for that reason. In my early twenties I might have been interested when I had whole lists of drugs I wanted to try someday, but I don't think there's actually much point to it recreationally.
Minus the small chance that Colorado Springs in El Paso County, an evangelical stronghold, and some of the more rural red counties don't tank it. 80% of the votes are in currently and Denver's should put it over the edge.
Now listen, there is something you should be made aware of about that incident with Edmond Muskie.
It is entirely conceivable – given the known effects of Ibogaine – that Muskie’s brain was almost paralyzed by hallucinations at the time; that he looked out at that crowd before sputtering out ill conceived remarks and saw gila monsters instead of people, and that his mind snapped completely when he felt something large and apparently vicious clawing at his legs.
Furthermore, I never said Muskie was taking ibogaine, I said there was a rumor in Milwaukeee that he was. Which was true, and I started the rumor in Milwaukee.
If you read that carefully, I’m a very accurate journalist.
Reports of my death have been intentionally exaggerated. That bastard Johnathan Depp used my expatriation as an excuse to commit tax fraud with my remaining American assets. Never trust a man with a golden tooth.
Regardless, I have prepared a more thorough memo on Ibogaine for the fine people of this insolvent backwater of a website
decadent is too positive, John Depp is a depraved and manipulative psychotic rat bastard
DMT rich plant matter is hard to come by. Wonder how that will shake out.
It's super easy actually. Mimosa hostilis is a quick-growing frontier species. It's sold legally from Europe as a purple dye in powder form. Use Cyb's acid-to-base tek and you can make like 50 doses for $30ish.
sold legally from Europe as a purple dye in powder form
Wait, what the fuck ? I've always ordered the dried root bark, taking special care to avoid suppliers where I wasn't sure they weren't contributing to shit in South America. Is that dye thing real ? is it pure powdered root bark, no risk to pull some other alkaloid / chemical ?
I get mine from Mimosaroot.com which ships out of the Netherlands/Germany. They sell the bark too, but you want it powdered because that gives you more surface area for the extracting chemicals. It's just pure bark powder without any additives. I'm curious to actually use it as a dye at some point because purple is otherwise such a hard colour to source naturally.
Thank you. I also get mine from NL, but it's not sold as dye - and it's about ~twice more expensive than your estimate above, assuming ~60mg per dose. Mind you, you called it legal in the EU above but I'm in :france-cool: and believe me, legal it's not - they even outlawed possession of Peganum Harmala (both the plant and the seeds) in this country. The plant fucking grows here, at least around the mediterranean. Though admittedly no cop would even know about either MHRB or Syrian Rue so it's mostly a moot point.
you want it powdered because that gives you more surface area for the extracting chemicals
I really experimented with both and with a longer initial boil for shredded, it really makes little difference in yield. Moreover, the whole extraction process became so much less of a headache for me when I bought a separatory funnel (if you haven't got one, I can't recommend it enough); and using the powdered form makes my funnel's plastic faucet gunk up - admittedly though that'd be solved by filtering the solution better first.
The discussion makes me wish we had a comm for psychedelics lol
how about you stop worrying about 'ibogaine' and instead go out and 'gain' some 'bones'
1P-LSD is at least a 1:1 analogue. You can buy it legally from Canadian chemists at like 1mg/$80.
https://www.chems.ca/catalog/
Goddammit they seem to have shut down in the past couple days. They had just launched 1D-LSD too. This is/was who I buy from out of Quebec. For a sheet of 10 100mcg doses, it fluctuated between $60 on sale and $80 regular. It got cheaper with 100 and 1000 dose packages. Lysergi was more expensive but this chemist is/was a super good value for various tryptamines.
Dude I was super up on the RC scene years ago but drifted away for a couple years and now all the site I used to use are gone. It’s a bummer because there’s a bunch of new(ish, to me at least ) stuff that I want to try, but finding non-scam clear net sites has been a drag. Maybe I should just quit being lazy and hit up the DNMs lol (but if you know of any good sources feel free to PM me :) )
The more i more i listen to true anon the more i think psychedelics are just for controlling the masses
:jesse-wtf: This is a horribe take on so many levels.
Ive written a proper response too many times and each time theres another level of wrongness i need to address. Im ....just too tired.
Why are people micro dosing? Why are people taking small amounts of drugs everyday?
Is it for introspection? Is it to get better at what they do and focus?
Or is the real reason to make life more tolerable. To alter the real world so they can function with in the machine? To shake off the impending doom that incompasses modern usa. And the impending collapse that everyone knows is coming but rather just dose them selves out of thinking about.
Yeah. You have your proper answers. But all the historical facts we have on psychedelic point only in one direction.
Yes they help some people. Do they make others wise they never took it. Yep
The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the usa government in the past spent a lot of time and money on these psychedelics. And that can't be ignored.
Nothing wrong with that. I used to love herb till it got to strong and makes my back hurt like crazy.
The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the usa government in the past spent a lot of time and money on these psychedelics. And that can’t be ignored.
So the US government (or any sort of capitalist structure) is pushing shrooms to....keep people in line?
Come on, man...
There’s a reason they are are loosening up on all these drugs. It’s too give the public another distraction.
No, its because capitalist coporations are blinded by profit. And they see they can make a profit pushing this on to a huge market of depressed people, because it actually does work. But the capitalist is too short sighted to understand or even care that in doing so a shift in societal thinking will take place to be more critical of capitlism. As long as they get a solid payday in the short term.
Why are people micro dosing? Why are people taking small amounts of drugs everyday?
This is where you need to actually read about what tryptamines do. Pharmacologically they're like SSRIs but that also cause neurogenesis. Why are people taking small amounts of SSRIs? To keep from shooting themselves because of psychiatric disorders. Psychedelics combine that MOA with the benefits of therapy. It doesn't put you in a fantasy land, the visuals are a distraction lasting a couple hours at most every month. If they're microdosing there are no visuals at all beyond being more perceptive of patterns and colours being a bit more vibrant. I don't microdose because I want to leave the matrix or ignore apocalypse, but because it makes hiking more engaging and art more interesting and social situations less anxious.
The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the usa government in the past spent a lot of time and money on these psychedelics. And that can’t be ignored.
Suppressing them. They've spent time and money since Nixon suppressing them because he identified them with hippies and socialists. The MKULTRA research you're about to go into only showed that they aren't useful as mind control drugs and that they aren't effective torture devices. The top-down and conservative narratives toward this are solidly against it being used.
Quit being such a :grillman: and read How to Change Your Mind.
This is where you need to actually read about what tryptamines do. Pharmacologically they’re like SSRIs but that also cause neurogenesis. Why are people taking small amounts of SSRIs? To keep from shooting themselves because of psychiatric disorders
You do know this is feeding into my point right? That life is so miserable, that there is no real help for people. That they have resorted to micro dosing to get through the day.
Hippies didn't exist in the 40s and 50s when psycadelics where being heavily researched.
Could they have a positive. Yeah. But right now. They are used solely as a distraction from how horrible life is. So yes. They are a controlling agent for this capitalist system.
Of course hippies existed. Have you ever heard of bohemians? Hippie shit is just a mid-century rehashing of the same orientalism that crackers have been obsessed with for centuries. Mysticism was a 19th century craze well before hippies appropriated it.
People use any medicinal drug because some symptom makes life miserable and there's no other fix. You're ignoring the word neurogenesis there. It's a neurobiological foundation for that fix which takes them out of the conditioned acceptance of it. The context in which it's being given, a gifting culture in Colorado, is the external social component of that fix. In the psilocybin doses that are used therapeutically, it's not a daily happy drug. As a microdose, it's still not a daily happy drug- it's a once every four days drug.
You're wholly talking out of your ass.
I look forward to Colorado rising up in psycadelic enlightenment and throwing off the shackles of modern day.
My sibling in Christ, people have been using psychedlics since the neolithic
That life is so miserable, that there is no real help for people. That they have resorted to micro dosing to get through the day.
So it's nobler to just suffer? "Let's not take medicine because it's capitalism at the root of our sicknesses" is a take I see on here occasionally, and it's never the insight people think it is.
Also you could apply this to literally any other drug, most of which are worse than shrooms and very legal.
This is where the left, imo, gets kinda confusing.
We are against the system. But also for things that extended it's reign and makes it's misery even longer lasting.
I don't really know. Im going to go out side and plant some flowers and touch some grass.
Psychedelics make people question the system. Psychedelics make people more creative. Psychedelics have never extended its reign at all in any way whatsoever.
To alter the real world
"You", in so far as the self is a meaningful or useful concept, are about 3 pounds of wet fatty tissue locked in a vault of calcium trying to make sense of random chemical and electrical signals from a bunch of organic sensors that were not designed, but instead stumbled upon by the blind and uncaring process of evolution.
Every human's experience of external reality is ridiculously incomplete and subjective. Tiny doses of mushrooms won't change that.
The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the usa government in the past spent a lot of time and money on these psychedelics. And that can’t be ignored.
What can't? That they tried to use psychedelics as truth serums and mind control drugs but after spending a bunch of money and torturing a bunch of poor bastards they found out that you can't actually do that with psychedelics?
That doesn’t make any sense. How could psychedelics even possibly control people? The reason psychedelics are illegal is to control people. People are much more likely to question capitalism after taking psychedelics.
Why are people micro dosing? Why are people taking small amounts of drugs everyday?
Because they have a poor understanding of how drugs effect the body but they want a sense of control over their lives so they take minute amounts of drugs and then ride that placebo effect high in to the sunset?
It's the same reason people take random unregulated supplements or random herbs or homeopathic remedies. They don't know what they're doing but the act of doing something makes them feel good.
I think you are right. I also think this is true of literally any Treat™ you can think of.
It's only a treat if it doesn't have a productive medicinal purpose. Alcohol? Solidly a treat- when we prescribe it it's only to prevent seizures in severe alcoholics. There are very narrow contexts in which alcohol is useful for a very small subset of people. Cannabis? Trickier. I use it as a treat, but medicinally it has valid uses. A strong indica is a better sleep aid for me than ambien or trazodone without side effects. We have to consider the medical utility alongside its social usage and weigh the meaning of one with the superficiality of the other. And even then, I'm a Marxist despite smoking it at the moment. I'd be a Marxist if I didn't use it tomorrow. It has no bearing on my politics and as a treat is only a healthier alternative to any other treat I'd consume under any other system. If the revolution was won tomorrow I'd still use it both to sleep and because it makes boring things fun. I'd still have to do the dishes and would still garden and would still play video games before bed under socialism, all things markedly better while stoned.
For psychedelics to be an empty treat, they'd need to be recreational. Despite having access to as much psilocybin, DMT, and LSD as I could want, I've never taken it as a substitute for cannabis or beer. I've never considered it a fun alternative to boring sobriety. It's an emotionally intense and meditative experience which might be overwhelming. I feel the same apprehension toward taking it that day that I do when I'm about to get my blood drawn. It actively detracts from the fun I'd otherwise be having while camping, and while it makes sitting in a hammock pretty my idea of fun isn't sitting in a hammock for three hours feeling nauseous and anxious. But medicinally, there's a profound value there. With social anxiety I'd face the same issue sober or on a worse class of anti-anxiety drug or under a better economic system. Microdose and there are none of the side effects or addiction risk of a benzo. With trauma the prescriptions are physically addictive to the point of causing microseizures during withdrawal, are neurotoxic with your largest concentration of serotonin being in your gut's microbiome, and expensive. Psilocybin costs pennies per dose if you grow it and you're able to address that trauma in a novel way as if you're viewing yourself externally. With addiction the rehab industry is predatory and full of religious zealots. Psilocybin snaps you out of the negative thought loops which encourage relapse while providing a positive replacement for the self-medication.
It's more a tool in the psychiatrist's toolkit than it is a treat. Psychiatry has just been structurally denied this kind of drug for half a century and the ones that developed instead don't work as well. Reintroduce it to psychiatry and we're again seeing that it's a way to correct symptoms rather than control them because of how it interacts with the brain on a chemical level. In my ideal world it wouldn't be a contemporary movement clawing its way back to legitimacy- first stolen through religious justification and then by right wing justification- and psilocybin wouldn't be something I have to give people under the table. It'd just be one more compound and probably one of the first they try.
Reactionaries and liberals can certainly use them, but I'm a huge proponent of their medical usage and sociopolitical potential. They cause productive introspection and put you in a kind of cognitive chaos mode that scrambles up negative thought loops. If someone's politics are the result of their alienation, psilocybin's really good at snapping you out of that alienated mindset and at least making you question yourself. That's an intervention point for all kinds of Guy who are driven by some pathology. If it's combined with hippie mysticism then it's a distraction and means of social control, but if it's used therapeutically or in a supportive culture it's undermining all the barriers between you and a less traumatised/conditioned/unconnected you.
It's nothing but mysticism and a lot of it is focused on the individual.
There's a reason they are are loosening up on all these drugs. It's too give the public another distraction.
There's mysticism if you're prone to mysticism. There's psychiatry if you're prone to materialism. You can't call the neurological impacts hippie bullshit and those are what have potential. This ballot initiative was a popular vote, not a top-down mandate.
It has neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
Yeah people want another escape than having to do the scary task that is dealing with are impending doom and inaction on it.
It's another great escape
Lamotrigine has neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
Vyvanse has neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
Alzheimers drugs have neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
You just have a really reactionary and dumb understanding of this issue. I'm not saying, nobody is saying, that these are drugs for everyone. A few comments down I even stated the criteria under which I give people psilocybin, and if there are contraindications I don't. If someone has contraindications for any drug they just don't take it. Those who do benefit from it take it.
Alzheimers drugs have neurological positives on some of the population. Not all.
It has no positives and has been pushed to sell a drug that doesn't work.
Do you even know what reactionary means? People throw that word around now a days.
Reacting negatively to any change in the status quo which might be socially positive because you don't read and go with whatever the worst option is. You might not otherwise be a reactionary, but your take here is so stupid that it's literally what I've heard out of the reactionaries against this bill in Colorado Springs. Minus "but think of the children!" you've actually hit every talking point.
No. Being a reactionary is looking at the past as perfect an example of what today should be. And wanting to bring that to the modern day.
Which is what you're doing. Continuing the past because you don't understand the basics of the alternative.
Yes. My insight that looked at them past ways these drugs where used as controlling agents is reactionary i guess some how.
It's such a vague conspiracy that runs counter to how this initiative passed that yeah, it is. The only difference is that you said government instead of big pharma. Protect Colorado's Kids used big pharma as their control boogeyman.
Again, just read Pollan's How to Change Your Mind. It's not the authority on the subject, it's not the primary research itself, but it's an introductory book about the part of this you don't understand. If all you otherwise have is a conspiracy theory you haven't yet defined, what am I supposed to call you? Certainly not comrade. You want to preserve a worse system for the sake of your ignorance. To keep these drugs criminalised knowing what that means and how much a means of control that is. The nicest word I could call you for saying something so fucking stupid is reactionary.
Im not saying to keep them criminalized
Where did i say that
That's you jumping to conclusions.l and throwing out words that aren't appropriate than trying to make them stick when you are called out about not knowing how to use it properly.
Legalize it. Im just questioning why it's happening now? The same thing that happened to herb will happen to shrooms. It'll become so strong that all these positives you talk about will slowly disappear. It'll just be another doping agent to keep the populace in line.
Comparing it to cannabis is again just not understanding the fundamentals of this class of drug. It's happening now because people have read books like How to Change Your Mind and seen what tryptamines actually are. The research ban was lifted and the subsequent flood of research has shown the psychiatric potential in the way research before hippies was beginning to hint at. It being in the realm of hippie mysticism is a consequence of it not being available in research settings or clinics. That's the repression and control, this is the popular and scientific response against both.
I'm not reading the book bro. Why should I. Where do you think in your happy badgering that you've convinced me to do anything?
All you have done is shove words in my mouth and when i call you out you just try to flip the script.
You should read it for the same reason you hopefully read anything else. You don't currently know something and might be capable of learning. When your current position is this misinformed, reading anything about it would be to your benefit. It doesn't even have to be that book but that's normally the book I give to people before they understand anything about these drugs or how they're used. If I shove any word in your mouth it will be more correct than the ones you shit out of it. Those are some good words so I recommend them in particular.
The thing is, they weren’t. The CIA tried, and failed miserably. Why would the state invest millions into suppressing these substances and prohibiting scientific research on them if the master plan was to use them as some kind of, what, mass mind control? How would that work exactly? Even the mass distraction argument doesn’t make any sense when we all carry around distraction/mind control/surveillance devices in our pocket. They have the distraction thing covered, they don’t need psychedelics for that. You really are just spouting ignorant, paranoid tinfoil hat nonsense. I wouldn’t call it a reactionary stance, just a really dumb one.
Corp controlled psychedelics will have very little positive affects on society.
Yes, but no longer throwing people in prisons because they have some fungus in their pocket will.
There’s a reason they are are loosening up on all these drugs. It’s too give the public another distraction.
:bruh-moment:
Most people don’t take psychedelics. The CIA is doing a very bad job at controlling people when the only people access to psychedelics are bazinga brains and other rich people
It’s the other way around really. I can’t imagine being on psychedelics and also believing that capitalism works.
My last batch of shrooms just grew pins and then died I'm very sad and salty about that.
They're super sensitive to humidity at that stage. It needs to be like right at 80% RH with water just kind of misting the walls here and there. The oxygen/carbon dioxide ratio is also inverted and it's tricky to make sure they don't suffocate before they're tall enough to catch higher air currents.
