Don't forget that libs are very wonky and like to read thick books and feel smart. This shit is like catnip to them.
I have a friend who, when we met, he had several Rush Limbaugh books. He ditched those quickly, but then kind of floated in liberal territory for awhile. I got him on Zinn, then Parenti, and now he's sending me shit on ending capitalism completely unprompted. Don't discount pipelining.
Shit I'll even win over a chud. My friend was just from the South, like me, and had no real fucking idea of any other political alternatives. It's why I get so frustrated when leftists don't want to organize the South. We don't have anything without them.
I've had plenty of time organizing latine comrades in the south
What's this? A struggle session this early in the morning? Fuck it I'm in
Yes, probably. With all sorts of people, like white and Asian and Latinx people
More like: who do you think we're going to get on our side, if we can't even persuade people who were in the "I like a lot of what Bernie says, but..." camp?
Let's not get it twisted, this is a circlejerk site full stop. There's nowhere for the libs to "come from."
How? That was a good strat on reddit, where the fuck do you get new libs?
My high school AP gov/history teacher partially taught us out of A Patriot's History of the United States 🙃
His libertarian antics are what started to push me towards the left so I'm not mad
I read plenty of selections from Zinn in my AP US History class and I credit that with tipping me towards the left, although it was still a few years before I began to actually outgrow my lib tendencies.
I sent a copy to a friend of mine a few years ago and the same thing happened, within a week she was asking me "so basically almost all the country's problems can be traced back to capitalism and the exploitation of various peoples?"
Good book, folks. Good book.
I remember reading it and I was like OH MY GOD HOW MUCH LONGER ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT UNIONS and then I realized that's the point and boom.
I want to start a github or a chapo wiki if that's gonna happen someday about lib-friendly material to radicalize people. Or at least pop their neolib/conservative fart bubble.
I want that and I also want a roster of personalities and lanyards and politicians with a list of their shitty (and sometimes good) things so I can automatically be like no fuck this guy, and here's x y and z why he sucks ass without having to trawl all of the internet for it.
My personal choices for starting points are (hold in mind we are talking about lib-oriented material) many of John Oliver videos, Michael Moore movies, some Deutsche Welle documentaries, and Wikipedia pages. And of course, Berniesphere material.
I want to make a big ass study about people who radicalized studying their previous profile, what made them enter this rabbit hole and how it started/progressed to answer that exact question, what twitter/facebook/reddit connections they made, etc. But I study gene expression.
oh yeah how's that going? is there a discord or a matrix room for it? I'm interested but i don't know where to start.
We've got a matrix 😊
If people are interested in getting involved feel free to PM me @cummunist or @kitten.
I'd love to have a resource on the best pipeliney thing to give someone based on how lib or chud they are.
Especially if it's subtle enough that I could, say, give people a political compass test and use the result to suggest a video they think they'll agree with.
I think that's insufficient though, you also need to consider what it takes a test to spread. One reason people share these things is the personality test aspect where your result is your Meyers-Brigs/horoscope/Harry Potter house. Another is a form of community self-identity, where everyone shows their tests to show how "in" they are (why 8values threads are popular on 4chan's /pol/ board).
Oh I plan to.
But considering how it spreads is an important part of the plan.
I just recommended this book to my boss yesterday. He calls himself a libertarian but he says chud shit pretty regularly and will occasionally come into my office and start quoting whatever he just heard daddy Rush say at me. Whenever he starts talking politics with me lately I’ll usually just bring up Biden so we can shit on Democrats in solidarity and then I’ll say some leftist talking point which he’ll agree with despite often saying “socialism bad” so I really don’t know what’s going on in this mans head. Maybe this book will help him if he actually reads it.
It's like they have this raw dissatisfaction and there are already pipelines set up to shunt it into unproductive areas, so if you can just redirect that energy ANYWHERE, it kinda naturally flows.
Yeah I mean he’s never going to become a leftist, he owns the company I work at and is a landlord, I think best case is him realizing that he has no idea what he’s talking about in terms of American history.
Pipelines are vital in times like this, they are our strongest weapons against fascism for the general public.
Haven’t read it - is it basically a retelling of everything Sakai shat all over for 180 pages in Settlers?
It talks quite a bit about how racism was weaponized to split working class movements and doesn't shy away from the racist shit that unions got up to. Also begins with brutal depictions of colonization and follows native peoples' struggles up to the present day. Obviously Zinn is not a Maoist but I don't think it's the sort of vulgar workerist thing you're imagining.
Currently reading a people's history because i slept through high school history and didn't take it in college and i would like to begin being less dumb
Zinn liked it but I ain’t read it so can’t vouch myself. It’s on my list.
Is A People's History of the United States worth reading if you are already firmly on the left? Will I learn stuff?
Yes. The entirety of American history that you have learned is a fucking lie.
