Not really that impressive
gets by on being the largest adult son, his authority simply disappears as soon as he has to sit
These upper-class journalists despise the American working class with the burning fury of a thousand suns but the moment this contempt is turned towards them suddenly it's wrong and bad.
Love to see people on hexbear dot com mock a strike carried out by workers in a quickly proletarianizing industry.
Labor actions are only good when the workers I personally sympathize with do them, right?
Fuck these journalists who have been demonising strikers for decades. When rail workers and nurses strike. The world gets worse, because the work that they do adds value to the world. If journalists strike, the world would be a better place, since they do not add value to the world. And they stop churning out their misleading garbage.
Next you gonna tell me that we need to support landlord strikes, cause they are technically workers* too.
Journalists perform labor and landlords don't. At least argue in good faith here.
It's also worth pointing out that these journalists don't have any real editorial control. Giving them more power in the workplace is a step toward changing that. You're getting angry at the workers for doing their job and collecting a paycheck instead of the guys who tell them what to write.
I don't expect the media class to be the vanguard but I also don't see any reason why we shouldn't lend them critical support in their struggle against their own oppressive class dynamics. It doesn't have to be a black-and-white sort of issue.
I don’t expect the media class to be the vanguard but I also don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t lend them critical support in their struggle against their own oppressive class dynamics.
When newsrooms unionize their content almost always shifts leftwards (see: The Onion) but some bitter assholes here want to act like that's a bad thing.
Exactly, the worst case scenario is nothing changes. There's literally nothing to lose by supporting the strike. They're not going to turn the NYT into an even more reactionary propaganda outlet by unionizing.
Now I am holding my breath waiting for this exact thing to happen
NYT fires entire writing staff and replaces them with even more ghoulish ones
You make good points. I have trouble rooting for anything involving the NYT, but a union strike does also prevent them from publishing conservative traah for a while.
The Onion isn't a news source lmao. Do you have example of any actual news outlets like WaPo, CNN, The Guardian, etc. going leftwards?
WaPo unionized in the 1930s and is an open shop; its union is famously weak. CNN isn't unionized as far as I know, but I'd definitely argue The Guardian US' beat reporting is more left now than it was in 2015.
You want a more recent example, look at the Chicago Tribune. Big difference in its editorial line from before and after it unionized in 2018. Hell, it pissed off John Kass so much that he quit. That alone moved the needle left on that paper.
Like these are still liberal institutions and I'm not expecting NYT reporters to start suddenly calling for a PPW, but goddamn. At least with a union reporters don't get fired for publicly expressing solidarity with like striking warehouse workers. I got canned once for doing just that.
I wish the reporters at the new york times everything they wish for workers, unions, minorities, and trans people.
A win / win would be them winning the strike and then still collapsing in a year.
Sorry, as a leftist I should support the very people who are actively trying to surpress and destroy unions, affordable health care, or any vaugly left political project. All my effort should be speant protecting an adult nussery for the sons and daughters of various oligarchs and aristocrats too stupid and weak to get an actual job. We need to pay these people as much as we possibly can for there glorious opinion pieces and repeat state propaganda.
Unionization hurts the NYTs owners and further adds to the union moment of the journalism industry.
Every moment they’re striking is also time they’re not spending bashing unions or publishing unhinged transphobic op-eds.
I hate the NYT, but unionization is a net win. @TheFreshestHell also pointed out the onion went much further left after they properly unionized. Not holding my breadth on that last bit, but critical support is warranted.
I hope their paper crumbles and turns to dust. They’ve demonized unions for years and have ramped up transphobia over the last two years.
The new york times collapsing would be a good thing.
I've got no love for the NYT as an institution but I'd still not shit on workers striking for better conditions. Plus lack of editorial control is a big factor in a lot of news guild agitation. Like most reporters have no say on the the editorial slant of their paper.
Is it really striking for better conditions if they go back in the next day and continue working under the exact same conditions
Labor actions are only good when the workers I personally sympathize with do them, right?
Literally yes lmao. I don't give a shit about NYT journalists. They can rot in hell.
If you want sympathy out of the world, you have to put it in first.
I don't know why you're so mad at my opinion. You know it's right, which is probably why your inner kvetch kicked off.
Because I'm a reporter working on unionizing my own newsroom, jackass, and a big paper striking is a win for people trying to do the same in smaller outlets. I'm mad because for all the talk about how the PMC needs to proletarianize, once it actually starts to happen there's absolutely 0 solidarity. Never mind that most reporters are already fucking hourly wage workers.
You’ve articulated this well and won me over. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position in the thread.
If you want sympathy out of the world, you have to put it in first.
I don’t know why you’re so mad at my opinion. You know it’s right, which is probably why your inner kvetch kicked off.
This comment is gross. I can’t articulate why, but its set off my ick alarms.
I am now in favor of the NYT strike.
The NYT is a fascist rag staffed by ghouls so yes fuck them
I will not offer critical support to the guy who edits and publishes articles like "Opinion: Kanye's New Answer to the Jewish Question is Intriguing"
On the one hand, striking workers good.
On the other hand, fuck anyone associated with the NYT.
Yeah, I’m conflicted. If it’s useful for other unionization efforts, then very critical support I guess.
I would scab for NYT and put out some slop and it'd be indistinguishable.
"Here's why your boss being an asshole is good for the economy"
Turning up the bougie dial as the editor keeps looking back at the AI to see if it's writing acceptable articles.
i wonder what the effectiveness of a union in print media is. i feel like everything is an opinion column written by Picohitler McSmallbooj
I mean I'd love a union for the newsroom I work in. Long hours, a lot of unpaid overtime, little editorial control and high turnover are all big issues.
Like people here have a really warped view of the media industry, think whatever columnist they personally hate is representative of the entire field. Most reporters never get anywhere near an opinion column and even fewer have editorial input on a story after they've filed it. You write the thing then send it off because you've got two more on your quota for the day, and average pay is between like $13 - $25 per hour.
Since you’re an actual journalist, I respect your position on this. I hadn’t considered the utility of the NYT striking for other publications unionization efforts. Critical support I guess.
Journalists do not build capital through ownership of the means of production. They are laborers. Laborers unionizing and striking against the very mouthpiece of the world's bourgeoisie is, to me, pretty impressive.
It's the permanent contradiction between "thank god workers are taking any action at all" and "damn the short length, or demands for 1 sick day or a 5% pay bump over 10 years seem kinda disappointing"
Best to lean towards the former, even if we recognize the latter
I don’t give a Fuck about any of these labor aristocrats after all the transphobia and antiunion propaganda they’ve been publishing
Edit: @TheFreshestHell made a lot of good points and won me over. Critical support for the NYT
uhhhhh can somebody explain to me the point of a strike with a pre-announced end time?
I've had people in my family tell me they aren't doing Wordle today, which is... bigger than it sounds. I think soft plays like this tend to get the liberals on board.
idk i can't imagine the conditions for that not inevitably ending up in a proper strike or the workers pre-defeating themselves.
Companies aren’t always so stupid
i definitely assume they are lol, maybe that's wrong of me
it sounds kinda :liberalism: to me like they don't have the willingness or strength to do a real strike so they performatively do this one day thing instead.
idk i'm not in the room so maybe this actually makes sense
Writing my Friday to do list for when I get back to my office at the NYT. This is not work mind you! I’m on strike afterall. But tomorrow I simply MUST write an editorial about how our strike is different and nobody should think if it works for us that it will work for rail workers or Starbucks employees. We are special and so is our situation.
What has the NYT been saying about other strikes recently? Pro-rail/teacher/nurse/food/amazon workers or anti?
Same energy as "if we all don't buy gas for one day that'll show em"
